<p>Yeah, you shouldn't be worrying so much about what you'll be taking 2 years in . . .start off with something and see how you like it.<br>
I got credit for 104 but I'll comment on 115</p>
<p>Math 115 - It's easier than 114, but if you plan on taking math classes after 115, you should just take 114. better transition. 114 is kind of hard, any calculus class will require a great deal of work, but it's a course one could do well in given a certain amount of time to put in.</p>
<p>I'm a math/econ major so I've taken 240 and I'm in 241, and they get progressively harder and require more and more work. 241 is tough as balls.</p>
<p>Econ 103 - This class is kind of dull. Easy, but dull. Looking back, I'd rather have just taken STAT430 and STAT431 sequence (much harder), because it would be much more useful and rigorous. I feel like econ103 is statistics dumbed down. . .if you aren't an econ major, I wouldn't necessarily advise taking it. If you do take it, you should follow it up with econometrics (econ220), I think.</p>
<p>It's been a week, so I feel no shame reposting this question:
I know that physics isn't math, but it's close enough, so can someone give me the breakdown between Physics 101, 150, and 170. I hear 170 is intense, but what's the big difference between the 101/102 sequence and 150/151 sequence?</p>
<p>170 is an honors version of 150. Tougher, more topics covered. Higher level of calculus required (maybe).<br>
150 is basically the real calculus based physics course meant for science majors/engineers
101/102 I believe is meant for pre-meds who need to take physics. I think it too will need a background in calculus but it won't be as much.</p>
<p>I think they just have varying degrees of rigor. I haven't taken any, but this is how I understand it.</p>
<p>Would you recommend going directly into math 240? I will have taken the equivalent of 104 and 114 by the time i graduate high school. I was planning on getting retroactive credit or taking the placement exams. Is that recommended?</p>
<p>Certainly if you completed the equivalent of 114, there's no reason to retake it. I'm not sure what the Math department's policy is towards something like that, so email an adviser and see. They're pretty quick and pretty nice about answering questions. But yeah, I know a guy who did just that (at a local community college I guess). I would just make sure that you did in fact complete the equivalent of 114. Look at the topics covered in 240, make sure you have had the proper background to learn the new material. And if you're at that stage where you can take 240 your fist semester, you'll be in really good shape.</p>
<p>Right. If you've done the equivalent of 114, then just take 240. There's no reason to repeat it, unless you don't feel comfortable enough to take 240.</p>
<p>im just kind of curious. i really do love the theoretical aspects behind mathematics. if (when? :) ) i am admitted to penn engineering, is a math major in the college doable? i might consider going for a straight up engineering major and possibly another major (i would have really like a wharton major, but well, i cant do that). can i do a major at the college as well as engineering? if not, how far would a math minor take me (as in, what level math courses would i reach with a math minor)?</p>
<p>It shouldn't be too difficult to minor in math (I think the engineering department strongly recommends its students to minor in something) especially since a bunch of the courses count towards your engineering major. You could also do a dual degree with Wharton if your grades are high enough next year (but I think you would have to graduate in 5 years to fulfill all the requirements).</p>
<p>One warning about skipping Math 114: It is not just multivariable calculus. The math sequence at Penn is not very compatible with others. Math 114 combines most of multivariable calculus with the differential equations from Calc BC as well as some more advanced topics in differential equations. Multivariable calculus is then pretty much rounded out in 240 in addition to many differential equation topics and the beginnings of linear algebra. Basically, make sure that you check the syllabai on the math department's website for the classes that you want to skip and make sure that you know all of the material. If you are unsure, just take a placement test.</p>
<p>impboy: math is unique in that engineers can double major with it even though the math department is in the college. So it's very doable, because you can get the major without the college requirements.</p>
<p>oh wow that awesome! thanks newboz i really didnt expect that at all, but now i know that if i do (when i do :) ) get started at penn, im certainly going to pursue a double major in engineering and math (at least until i think im going nuts, at which point ill say hell with it and just do my engineering major and minor in music :) )</p>
<p>but yea, i think thats pretty ridiculous, thanks for the info!</p>
<p>I say take 104, then 114 rather than 115. It seems in 114 you go into a lot more depth on what I think is more interesting material. That said, math might not really be your idea of a good time and if you never take another math course or stat and probability it might be more useful to see some of the other stuff you do in 115. Then again, my premed friend (english major) took 115 and later said she wished she had taken 114. So, whatever, go to both classes and see which prof you like better! If you are not really that committed to the material, maybe the professor should probably be the deciding factor.</p>
<p>Opim 101 has a reputation of being hard and/or boring. I think the problem is that a lot of people think of it as Microsoft Excel 101 and treat it as such, and I think in general that those are the people who think it is really hard and boring. As long as you approach it in the right way and realize that there are more subtle things going on than plug and chug in excel you'll be alright (Hint: take Math 114!). Opim 101 is not exactly a life altering class but you do pick up some useful stuff, I think. Plus I found it a lot less stressful than Management 100...</p>
<p>Also, take game theory! I took an upper level opim class on evolutionary game theory. Really interesting stuff.</p>