<p>school, percent undergraduate, total enrollment, undergraduate enrollment</p>
<p>Miami University-Oxford 91% 15726 14385
University of California-Santa Cruz 90% 15625 14085
Brigham Young University 90% 34988 31415
University of California-Riverside 88% 17075 14963
University of California-Santa Barbara 86% 21500 18500
Pennsylvania State University-Penn State Main Campus 85% 40901 34800
University of California-Irvine 84% 24962 20877
Baylor University 84% 13995 11786
University of Colorado at Boulder 83% 31401 26165
University of Delaware 83% 20380 16934
Auburn University Main Campus 82% 23547 19367
University of California-San Diego 82% 24299 19863
Clemson University 82% 17215 14048
Texas A & M University 81% 45380 36580
Iowa State University 80% 25462 20440
SUNY at Binghamton 80% 14368 11449
Purdue University-Main Campus 80% 40618 32679
University of California-Davis 79% 32338 25578
Michigan State University 79% 45520 35821
Indiana University-Bloomington 78% 38247 29828
Rutgers University-New Brunswick/Piscataway 78% 34265 26609
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 78% 6565 5148
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 77% 28469 21996
University of Missouri-Columbia 76% 28184 21484
University of Georgia 75% 33887 25374
The University of Texas at Austin 75% 49697 37037
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 74% 42476 31242
Clark University 74% 3071 2262
Worcester Polytechnic Institute 74% 3880 2853
Ohio State University-Main Campus 74% 51818 38479
**<strong><em>Brown University 74% 8115 5981
College of William and Mary 74% 7645 5678
University of Iowa 72% 28816 20738
University of Maryland-College Park 72% 35102 25154
The University of Tennessee 72% 28744 20608
*</em></strong><em>Dartmouth College 71% 5786 4097
University of California-Berkeley 70% 33764 23784
University of California-Los Angeles 70% 36365 25350
University of Washington-Seattle Campus 70% 39524 27836
Marquette University 70% 11548 8048
University of Connecticut 69% 23557 16347
University of Florida 69% 50912 35110
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus 69% 17931 12355
*</em><strong><em>Cornell University 69% 19641 13562
Lehigh University 69% 6859 4743
Boston College 68% 14381 9749
*</em></strong><em>Princeton University 68% 7065 4790
University of Wisconsin-Madison 68% 43513 29593
University of Miami 67% 15670 10509
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 67% 37720 25430
Syracuse University 67% 18289 12325
University of Notre Dame 66% 9564 6313
Saint Louis University-Main Campus 66% 13286 8772
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities 64% 50402 32113
Wake Forest University 64% 6739 4321
University of Pittsburgh-Main Campus 64% 26860 17246
Tulane University of Louisiana 62% 10606 6533
Brandeis University 62% 5312 3307
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 62% 27539 17111
University of Virginia-Main Campus 62% 23950 14810
Rice University 60% 5024 3011
Boston University 59% 31350 18495
Southern Methodist University 58% 10941 6296
University of Rochester 56% 8654 4843
Washington University in St Louis 55% 13532 7505
Carnegie Mellon University 55% 9999 5548
Vanderbilt University 55% 11607 6378
Emory University 54% 12338 6646
Tufts University 52% 9637 4994
Fordham University 52% 14732 7701
New York University 51% 39228 19929
University of Southern California 50% 33389 16729
Northwestern University 50% 18508 9183
*</em><strong><em>University of Pennsylvania 50% 23685 11874
Georgetown University 48% 14148 6853
Yeshiva University 48% 6129 2968
Duke University 48% 13124 6234
University of Denver 47% 10850 5149
*</em></strong><em>Yale University 47% 11475 5410
American University 47% 9797 4574
George Washington University 44% 24423 10792
Case Western Reserve University 43% 9592 4080
Pepperdine University 42% 7320 3066
California Institute of Technology 41% 2086 864
*</em><strong><em>Massachusetts Institute of Technology 40% 10253 4127
*</em></strong><em>Harvard University 39% 25120 9750
Stevens Institute of Technology 38% 4829 1853
*</em><strong><em>Columbia University in the City of New York 36% 24164 8639
*</em></strong>*Stanford University 35% 19042 6576
University of Chicago 34% 14332 4846
Johns Hopkins University 29% 19708 5738</p>
<p>Well, students who attend LACs seem to think grad students detract.</p>
<p>But I think grad students and grad programs are a plus for undergrads up to a point. Perhaps there is an optimal range of undergrad percent. maybe 50% to 80%. Something like that.</p>
<p>collegehelp,
Does your datasource give you the ability to double sort, eg, can you sort first by size of undergraduate institution and then by undergraduates as a percentage of the overall university? Putting together colleges of vastly different sizes or types or levels creates comparisons that may not have a lot of relevance. I like seeing comparisons of colleges where cross applications are more likely to take place and the nature of the environments can be compared.</p>
<p>Some of these numbers are quite meaningless without dividing the schools into classes.</p>
<p>You can't expect a 40k undergraduate school to find 40k graduates, but if your school only has 5k students, it won't be too hard to have 5k graduates.</p>
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<p>Would that not assume cross applications are going to similar schools? Aren't students who apply to Amherst and Williams not applying to Harvard, or Princeton, and even Cornell? Aren't students applying to Pomona not applying to Stanford or UCLA? Or Harvey Mudd to Stanford, MIT, and Caltech? </p>
<p>While the number of graduate students versus undergraduate is an interesting statistic, unfortunately not much can be derived from it without ascertaining the differences in resources and dedication to teaching undergraduates by faculty between schools that have similar statistics. When it comes to quality of education for UG, the numbers are meaningless.</p>
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<p>I think so too, for two reasons. First of all, a college has a broader array of more challenging and more advanced classes on campus if it has graduate programs. Second, sometimes graduate students take classes in common with undergraduates--it happened to me, in my major subject--and then the undergraduate can have conversations in which to learn about the broader life experiences of an older student. I've always figured, based on real-world experience, that the presence of graduate students on a campus is more feature than bug.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins and Chicago were both self-consciously designed as schools top-heavy on graduate students. </p>
<p>I personally like having a lot of grad students for the same reason tokenadult mentioned-- Chicago's course catalog is nothing short of awesome, the facilities are absolutely amazing, undergraduates get treated like grad students in many respects. I feel like I know a very large slice of the undergraduate population, but I don't know any of the grad students, so seeing new faces around campus constantly is nice for me-- I could never go to a school where I knew everybody's name!</p>
<p>As far as faculty dedication to teaching goes at Chicago, all faculty are required to teach in the college and even "big" classes are relatively small. (i.e. in the English department, a "lecture" class might be a professor teaching 40-60 students with a couple of TA's thrown in for essay advice and grading, and a "discussion" class might be 15-20 students led by a professor, also with a TA for another set of office hours).</p>
<p>Funny that of all the school "fits" and "feels" that I liked the most, Chicago, JHU, and Harvard were towards the top of the list. I liked the idea of getting lost in a maze of grad students, I guess.</p>
<p>xiggi,
As usual, you're right. There are a variety of colleges that see high cross applications. I was thinking more about subgroups, eg, the USNWR Top 30 National Universities and the USNWR Top 20 LACs where there probably is a ton of cross applications and also a great variety of college sizes, both undergrad and grad. I also agree with your point about undergraduate teaching which is probably the most underrated aspect of a college experience and probably the most overlooked aspect of the college search process.</p>
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I think so too, for two reasons. First of all, a college has a broader array of more challenging and more advanced classes on campus if it has graduate programs. Second, sometimes graduate students take classes in common with undergraduates--it happened to me, in my major subject--and then the undergraduate can have conversations in which to learn about the broader life experiences of an older student. I've always figured, based on real-world experience, that the presence of graduate students on a campus is more feature than bug.
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<p>The presence or absence of graduate students is not the issue. </p>
<p>The issue is what is expected from them regarding their "collaboration" with undergraduates. For some the model that relies heavily on TAs, Fellows, or whatever the fancy title-du-jour is, seems to be what they like. For others, who have different expectations of undergraduate education, there is no substitute for classes taught by qualified and experienced professors. </p>
<p>If you reread the post you quoted you would see that the interaction the poster was focused on was the greater availability of advanced classes at schools with larger grad programs and the fact that many of these classes ENROLL both undergrad and grad students taking the class--not acting as TA's etc etc. This is indeed the case at the school I attended. Many upper level classes are cross-listed for both advanced undergrad and grad students to take.</p>
<p>hmmm, the data does have some issues. While Yale's numbers are a good approximation, Stanford claims to only have a total of 14,890 students of which 6,689, or 44%, are undergrads. </p>
<p>A school like Pepperdine has outreach, adult & grad programs throughout Southern California, which are money-makers, so, while the reported student total maybe correct, not sure how to interpret it, since these programs exists far away from the undergrad campus on Malibu.</p>
<p>The data is from the US Department of Education website IPEDS. It is compiled from annual reports submitted by the universities. I think these reports come with detailed instructions and very little "interpretation" is left up to the discretion of the university.</p>