<p>Does anyone have an idea of what percentage of ivy recruits in non helmet sports like soccer and track receive likely letters?</p>
<p>That’s a good question. I assume you mean what percentage of the athletes that end up on the team have received LLs, and not what pct of athletes who were in the recruiting pool end up getting LLs. </p>
<p>In D’s sport, I believe all the girls she met on her OVs that ended up at her school received LLs. This school does not have ED, so the LL may be more important than at those schools with EA or ED.</p>
<p>Yes. That was my question. I read somewhere that Harvard gave out 230 or so likely letters, divided among 41 sports, male and female, leave roughly 3 per team. If we assume football and basketball have a significantly higher percentage of likely letters. I was wondering what this meant in practice for the other sports.</p>
<p>It is reported that Penn gave out 200 likely letters last year.</p>
<p>It’s a great question. I have a suspicion that the number of recruited and ultimately supported athletes is greater than the number of likely letters issued, particularly at the schools that offer ED. But I really don’t know. I hope this discussion is illuminating.</p>
<p>If someone has some extra time today they could divide 230 by the combined number of freshman on the rosters of the Harvard teams and come up with a pretty good approximation</p>
<p>Okay, I’m slightly embarrassed to admit I was obsessed enough with the question to check the rosters myself. It’s actually pretty interesting, of the 40 varsity teams at Harvard that had their rosters listed, I came up with 194 freshman men and 151 freshman women. (I didn’t count the XC kids because they are almost all included on the track rosters.) I may have counted some athletes twice if they are involved in 2 sports. Most of the teams had between 3 and 12 freshmen on the roster. What I didn’t expect were 23 freshman guys on lightweight crew and 31 on HW crew. There are 86 freshmen total (m+w) involved in crew! Also 22 freshman women on the sailing team and 33 freshman guys playing football.</p>
<p>So if we include all the sports, I come up with 345 freshmen varsity athletes at Harvard. So if the 230 LL’s is true, that would mean about 2/3 of the recruits get them.</p>
<p>I’d be interested to hear from someone familiar with crew to find out if LLs are typically given to most of the 86 kids that joined the team.</p>
<p>No, not even close! Most coaches my daughter talked to for Women’s Rowing had about 10 Likely Letters. The most she heard was 12.</p>
<p>I know a bit about Princeton’s rowing numbers:</p>
<p>about 1000 varsity athletes at Pton
200 total students are on the four rowing teams
aka 20% of all varsity athletes are rowers</p>
<p>I know that out of the 9 women in the varsity 8 for women’s LW, 8 are recruited. I <em>think</em> that our of the 24 on the team, 20 or so are recruited athletes. This year, women’s LW squad is issuing 7 LLs.</p>
<p>No idea about the other divisions of the team. Although women’s and mens’ OW squads have massive amounts of freshmen, so one can assume they have more LL’s issued.</p>
<p>I know at least for rowing many coxswains don’t get a LL, so to answer the OP - most athletes do, but not all. Some schools will only LL 3/4 of the class, but the other 1/4 still get in, just without an early conformation.</p>
<p>based on our experience and information, rowing (men and women) usually recruits one boat with LL (i.e. 8 plus a coxswain in the HW), LW men also a boat load (no coxswain), LW women frequently fewer rowers (3-5), who by and large have higher GPA and test scores.</p>
<p>The HW female rower slots at the Ivies typically have 8-10 ED slots and 2 or 3 RD slots. Duke and Stanford this year had if I remember correctly had 10 ED and now 2 RD slots. BTW if you are looking At HYPS Penn or Columbia as a female Hw rowing recruit you need to have around a 215 Academic Index score to be competitive for a LL the last couple of years. That translates to 2110 SAT and a 3.7 GPA at a competitive public. If you come from a top prep (Andover,St Paul’s etc) you better have higher SAT’s and a 3.5 GPA as well as SAT 2’s around 700+.Stanford female crew OW standards were asking for at least 1950 SAT’s and the team AI was shooting for about 203.</p>
<p>I’ll add to my last post. The schools that do not have ED will still issue LL’s starting Oct. 1’st like everyone else. They typically have 10 to 12 RD slots for women’s Open Weight crew but they may allocated by as early as November. I want to give out one extremely important piece of advice I wish my daughter and I had a few years ago concerning Ivy athletic recruiting. IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LIKELY LETTER FROM THE ADMISSISIONS OFFICE YOU HAVE NOTHING! Continue the recruiting process with every school you are interested in until the likely letter has been issued by an admissions officer. The associate coach recruiting for a top LAC or IVY is to be trusted as you would your local military recruiter. Trust and verify everything they have promised with admissions. End of rant :).</p>
<p>Hope it worked out ok for your daughter.</p>
<p>^^^in response to some above information, at least as we directly experienced it in this year’s recruiting class: Duke filled almost every slot (around 8) ED, and has already announced their recruiting class. Stanford attempted to fill many more EA slots this year than usual, and although they do not use an AI scale nor any form of LL, and say they view each recruit “holistically”, the testing/GPA standards were higher than any Ivy we encountered (HYP, etc.).</p>
<p>ivyrow-good advise-my personal theme, too. Even worse with the NESCAC, because there is no likely letter…
At Cornell, I know men and women rowing walk-ons-didn’t even do crew in HS, and certainly weren’t recruited athletes, so I assume that there aren’t enough LLs allowed to the coaches to fill the team.</p>
<p>mayhew’s info is correct ivyrow… Duke finished ED this year, though they normally don’t. Stanford doesn’t have slots - more of a “push.” Not sure if you were burned by them, but PM if you want to know more.</p>
<p>^^^frosty6 is correct - in one particular sport, Stanford got just a fraction of their recruits through admissions, although they had all been pre-read by admissions, etc. A LL is a much better bet!!</p>