Perplexed: Business or Engineering

<p>@giants92: Sorry, I’m intentionally being vague. However, since I’ve posted what my major is before, I’ll tell you that it’s computer science (unless you meant something else by “type of job”).</p>

<p>@MHailJ: If you were to choose engineering, are you set on chemical engineering? If so, most people I know in related fields urge newcomers to work in a lab first before deciding if the field is right for them. You probably don’t want to base your decision on how much you like intro econ/chem (unless that is not what you meant in your original post).</p>

<p>Figured it had to be something programming-related. I can’t put a finger on what you do due to my lack of exposure to comp sci, but it certainly sounds like whichever job you have is rarer than banking. Unless of course you’re doing something in the financial world like algorithmic trading, but you already said you don’t know much about financial jobs.</p>

<p>I can PM you with a little more info, but CC states you need to clear some space.</p>

<p>I heard of a Computer Engineering major getting 18K for 10-week internship. Add 20% for post-grad employment and multiply by 5 for a year, that’s like 108K. However, I don’t know how honest that number actually is. I’m sure this isn’t even remotely common though.</p>

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I def. agree with you on this one. I cannot choose what I want to do based on classes alone. I am hoping to possible snatch up a job shadowing opportunity or something along those lines this upcoming school year.</p>

<p>giants92; Only thing about Ross that I do not believe is strong is the lack of mathematics in the program (I believe they take a few math classes/stat classes?). I know for a BBA, very little math past simple calculus is needed. Care to comment on this and your views? Why exactly you chose to pursue a degree in mathematics rather than a BBA. Where you planning on going into the business world, investment banking? It just seems that everyone likes to glorify Ross around campus and I would love to hear your opinions on it.</p>

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<p>Those statements contradict each other.</p>

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<p>There is little to no basic calculus used in the BBA program.</p>

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<p>I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do when I was a freshman. I contemplated applying to Ross, but decided against it in the end because I didn’t want to pigeonhole myself into a business job after graduation. I liked math and econ and I knew the combination would give me a wider range of options, so I went with it.</p>

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<p>I worked in investment banking this past summer and will be doing it full-time after graduation. Since freshman year I’ve decided I’d like to do finance in the medium term – in general, doing IB in the short term allows for the best and widest range of exit opportunities into other areas of finance after the two-year Analyst stint.</p>

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<p>The thing about Ross is it’s fantastic for job placement. If you can get in, work hard enough to get a 3.8+ (not as hard as you think – B+ = 3.4 for Ross, the median elective grade is an A-, and A+'s count as 4.4 even though all the BBAs put their GPA out of 4.0 on their resume) and attain leadership positions in extracurriculars, you will have great opportunities for internships and full-time jobs.</p>

<p>Ross as an academic institution is nothing special – ask any candid BBA. The classes are decent, you’ll learn basic accounting and finance (and marketing, strategy, etc.) but everything you will learn on the job trumps whatever you learn in the classroom 10 times over. Another reason I am glad I stuck with math and econ, despite the huge recruiting handicap, is I value education – I didn’t want to obtain a vocational degree during undergrad, the substance of which I would just learn on the job anyway.</p>

<p>If it’s a job in the business world you’re looking for, go with Ross hands down. If you’ve got a knack for problem solving, a particular area of engineering intrigues you, and you’re not gunning for a big payday and heading down a good track for sky high potential earnings, go for the CoE.</p>

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<p>Scratch that, didn’t come out correctly.</p>

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<p>Confused. Not gunning for a big payday, but heading down a good track for sky high potential earnings? </p>

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<p>Can I ask how you started to network? I hear a lot of students enrolled in LS&A try to slide in with the Ross students to reach out to their recruiters.</p>

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<p>What I’m saying is you have a much higher probability to head down a track with sky high potential earnings if you head to Ross and enter finance/MBB consulting/something else that could potentially get you into a top MBA program (for the track to restart) than you do if you go to the CoE, for the very fact that the pay ceiling on most engineering tracks is much lower than that of certain finance tracks. Don’t get me wrong though- you will certainly make a healthy salary throughout the course of your career in engineering.</p>

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<p>Attending all investment banking recruiting events junior year + meeting bankers, reaching out to connections in the finance world through people I know, and cold-emailing.</p>

<p>My thoughts (I’m not a student, but I plant on applying to CoE & Ross, and spent the last three weeks bouncing emails with a guy who just transferred out of Ross to do Math and Physics): After Engineering you can essentially do anything. Ross, not so much. Maybe you discover you have a passion for ChemE, there’s really only one way to continue on that path. Anyone can get an MBA. The same cannot be said for Engr. Grad School. Plus, from what I’ve seen, Engineering recruitment, even for business, is very good; maybe not the same level for iBanking, but Consulting ( two friends went to McKinsey) seemed fairly impressive.</p>

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<p>What should one do if one gets a BSE and wishes to go to the best MBA school possible?</p>

<p>^Apply after gaining some experience in the field?</p>

<p>Wharton’s second largest demographic for its MBA class of 2012 is the engineering and science field. This demographic makes up 26% of the class. I would estimate that engineers make up at least half of that demographic.</p>

<p>[Wharton</a> MBA: Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mba/student-life/class-profile.cfm]Wharton”>Student Life - MBA Program)</p>

<p>^Engineering degrees, but do they take Engineering jobs after they graduate?</p>

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<p>I basically agree with this. Consulting seems to be the segue for engineers into the business world. However, there really isn’t a segue for business majors into the engineering field – it’s much more difficult to develop hard skills on your own than soft skills (and the “hard” skills involved in business are not difficult to learn).</p>

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<p>That is the important question.</p>

<p>“That is the important question.”</p>

<p>So, do you know?</p>

<p>The bottom of the page chasely posted gives an industry experience breakdown, but it doesn’t match up students’ major w/ the experience. I believe only adcoms have that info.</p>

<p>I mean, do you have some idea? I’m just looking for your thoughts on how big of an influence on your admissions your field of employment is. What sort of experience exactly do MBA programs want?</p>

<p>I’m not too terribly knowledgeable of the MBA process. From what I’ve gathered, most adcoms are looking for a wide range of candidates. Finance, a field with high turnover (and thus lots of opportunities to take the B-School break), is a big feeder into MBA programs. The proportion of students entering Wharton this fall who are financiers is 36% (PE/VC + IB + other Fin Services) and its 35% for the HBS class of 2011 ([Class</a> Statistics - MBA - Harvard Business School](<a href=“http://www.hbs.edu/mba/perspectives/class-statistics/]Class”>Class Profile - MBA - Harvard Business School)). I wouldn’t be surprised if the other top schools are in the 30-40% range as well. Remember, of course, that correlation does not imply causation. Many post-undergrad financiers look toward the MBA as a means to advance in their field, or to make the famous IB -> PE transition. Below is a good piece on B-School diversity, courtesy of MBAApply, a good B-School blog (<a href=“http://mbaapply.blogspot.com/):%5B/url%5D”>http://mbaapply.blogspot.com/):</a></p>

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<p>Thanks giants!</p>