philosophy major

<p>i am thinking of going into community college as a philosophy major but i have a few questions. </p>

<p>i noticed that the pre-req courses on assist.org are different from berkeley and UCLA for the philosophy major. so if i wanted to apply for both do i have to finish all the pre-reqs for both schools?</p>

<p>this is a question primarily for philosophy majors i guess: how are you liking the pre-req courses that you're taking? is philosophy still appealing to you as when you first decided to major in it? what exactly is the class like in terms of what you learn and is it difficult? i know it deals with a lot of logical thinking so is this a class where you would benefit more from intuition than "book smarts" or just studying a lot? i'm aiming for a 4.0 but i'm a little worried that simply studying a lot isn't going to help completely.</p>

<p>Yes, you do have to finish all the different pre-reqs for both Berkeley and LA if you want to be a competitive applicant. Also try your best to get your GE done before transferring, especially the required english and math.</p>

<p>I'm not a philosophy major but i've taken logic and ethics. The subject matter is very interesting, though your enjoyment of the class is largely dependent on how competent your professor is. Philosophy teaches you how to think, not memorize.. but it helps to study the text diligently. In the job market, a philosophy major is not too marketable but it'll be valuable to you when dealing with 'life' </p>

<p>Natural smarts can only give you a small advantage. I'm a firm believer that someone who works and studies hard can reach success. Shoot for the 4.0 and good luck!</p>

<p>I'd add one thing to that. I'm ignorant about UCLA, but as for Berkeley a significant number of applicants do not have the prereqs completed. This is because not many CCCs have courses that properly articulate for these classes. Obviously if you CCC does, you'd want to take those, but the general strategy I've seen on the board for Berk philosophy applicants is to just take as much philosophy/relevant coursework as they can get their hands on.</p>

<p>Hopefully somebody with more experience will be able to answer the rest of your questions.</p>

<p>PS: If you're interested in the "logical thinking" portion of philosophy, you might also be interested in pure mathematics. Obviously, you should go with your interests, but if you were interested in math there's a bit more of a market for it. Pure math is sort of an abstract, extremely rigorous, sort of philosophy.</p>

<p>I guess I can also answer your intuition vs. book smarts question to a degree. In my experience, logic requires a sort of intuition that you can build through focused practice. I wouldn't call it book smarts, though you can develop it from reading if you focus on understanding the general relationships that can be used to demonstrate truth. Logic also requires humility, which you can practice as well.</p>

<p>thanks for the replies. i've been doing a lot of research lately not only on what i want to major in and do for the rest of my life but also which major i would have the best chance to get into the school i want with (Berkeley or UCLA). business is something i'm interested in but i'm well aware of the extremely stringent competition for haas and even the biz econ program at UCLA. </p>

<p>after doing some research, i thought philosophy would be the ideal choice. seeing as how it is not really impacted and from what i've read, is a good major that can put me in a wide variety of career fields, most intriguing to me being business (eventually getting my MBA) and journalism. </p>

<p>guess i may have been wrong. do philosophy majors really have trouble finding stable jobs after getting their degree? i have also heard that majoring in philosophy is only useful for those looking to go to grad school and take the lsat since there is no career directly tied to philosophy.</p>

<p>any more replies would be great. i guess i'm just digging the surface on my "research."</p>

<p>edit (sorry for new post but i have to wait 20 minutes after posting to edit): i just checked on assist.org and none of the pre-reqs for berkeley are available at the CCC that i plan on attending. do the berkeley people understand that the courses are not available in many CCC's when reviewing your application? is it OK to get by the pre-reqs by just taking the same amount of similar philosophy courses? i.e. substituting the three phil courses that my CCC doesn't offer with three from the UCLA phil requirement, thus not having to take six different phil courses just for applying to both schools. </p>

<p>i'm still doing a lot of googling and it seems like the major that would best fit me but i would like to hear from more people. again, it appeals to me because it seems that the skills you learn from being a phil major can be applied to many different areas, again, especially in business and journalism which i am most interested in as a potential career.</p>

<p>Well, don't take my word for it. (;</p>

<p>The one thing that comes to mind, though, is that while a philosophy degree might be applicable to those fields, it might not be a strong degree for those jobs. In the current job market, that could be a problem. I'm an outsider, though, and you can judge what I say on the strength of your own sources.</p>

<p>Hi jfk,</p>

<p>I think majoring in philosophy is an outstanding choice. I've often thought of minoring in it myself.</p>

<p>Regarding your question about UCB and UCLA having different prerequisites...usually most of the classes will be the same, but one school will just require more of it. For example, if UCB requires 'ABC' and UCLA requires 'ABCD' then it makes sense to do 'ABCD' and you'll have the 'ABC' covered and you're all set to be a competitive applicant to both schools.</p>

<p>About your CCC not offering any of the prerequisites...that is a tough one. I spoke to a UCB admissions officer, in person, about the same situation but not as extreme. I'm a history major and my school offers 5-6 of the history classes listed for UCB on assist. But Glendale CC offered 13 of them! I asked her if I'd be at a disadvantage if I went up against an applicant from GCC. She told me no, I wouldn't, and that they themselves bring up assist and they would see my school only offered 5-6 (and I took them all). </p>

<p>But as for your school offering NONE of them? I honestly can't say. Here is some information I did find on assist though that will probably come in handy for you...</p>

<p>For more information:
Hannah Ginsborg<br>
(510) 642-4597<br>
<a href="mailto:phildept@berkeley.edu">phildept@berkeley.edu</a><br>
UC</a> Berkeley - Department of Philosophy</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>thanks for the reply, definitely cleared up some things there.</p>

<p>just wondering why you decided to major in history and what career you plan on going into? i'm only a junior in high school and am taking APUSH and i am really liking not just the class but the subject as a whole. i'm just worried about the limited amount of career options available aside from teaching.</p>

<p>jfk,</p>

<p>Like a few of the other guys here, I'm a military veteran. I served 3 1/2 of my 6 years in various locations overseas. I was stationed in Europe for 2 years and was fortunate enough to travel to many different countries when I was there. I've always had a general interest in history, but it was those life experiences that turned my general interest into a true passion (uh oh, this is starting to sound like a personal statement! lol). Anyway, so that is why I decided to major in history. That and it might be the only subject my attention span can handle for four years! :)</p>

<p>You can do many things as a philosophy major. First of all, keep in mind that the majority of people do not end up working in a career field directly related to their major. Like you said, you can teach...but you can also go on to law school or even med school if you want. I've read that the highest scores on entrance exams for law and med school are almost always achieved by philosophy majors. Med schools generally like getting people who majored in something other than bio/chem into the mix too. </p>

<p>As for me, I was pretty set on going to law school for awhile, but for a variety of very cool reasons I actually very recently thought that maybe I do want to teach!</p>

<p>People always bring up the pay, but if you knew me you'd know that wasn't an issue (meaning, I understand the laws of money and how to make it grow). But I still have quite awhile to think it through.</p>

<p>But enough about me...so my advice to you would be to swim with the stream and not against it. If you like philosophy, pursue it. If you find out later that you might want to do something else, that's ok too. Getting a degree in one thing doesn't mean that's the career path you have to follow. My dad majored in biology and got a masters in education, my mom never went to college...and in 1985 they started and have successfully operated their own business that has now grown to 200 employees. </p>

<p>Follow your passion and the rest will fall into place. Good luck!</p>

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<p>I'll double tap that statement. (; If you're excited about philosophy, you will find a related job to bring that excitement to. If you're passionate about it, then you won't have to worry about the competition.</p>

<p>to be honest, out of all the available majors at berkeley and UCLA, it is mass communications and communication studies, respectively. i would go for journalism but they don't offer it as a standalone major rather it is most closely connected with the communication major. the only dilemma here being that communication studies is one of, if not the most impacted major for UCLA transfers. i think only around 16% of applicants were accepted last year and the avg. gpa of those admits beings 3.89. </p>

<p>i'd hate to lead this thread in a different direction but which major would you say is most closely related or would be the best for someone looking to go into journalism? i was thinking english, philosophy and political science. i guess if i had to go more in-depth, i would most like to go into sports journalism but journalism in general is just fine.</p>

<p>I am a philosophy major and according to the UCB rep, I am a dream student for their philosophy department. I hope to attend UCLA but it's still nice to know that other UC's want me to join their department.</p>

<p>Philosophy is not as useless as some may think. It is an excellent major for law AND for journalism. English is very generic and Political Science has just as many majors as economics.</p>

<p>Philosophy may be the "dead and useless" major, but it is a good way to get into the UC of your choice. As for my CCC, it too had no UC comparable courses for philosophy for UCB. That's actually to your advantage, you do what you need to do for a philosophy major to other UC's and UCB will just have to take it.</p>

<p>Warning for people that want to take a philosophy major because it's "easy". It's not very easy. Keep in mind that it may be easy at a CCC, but when you go to a UC, you'll be reading enough Kant and Leibniz to keep you busy for the rest of your days.</p>

<p>I know a few people that switched to a philosophy major a year before they transferred, thinking that they'll get in nice and easy and just switch majors when they get there (it is possible, I've heard it and met people that did this). But the UC app readers are smart, they can see that those students crammed in all of the pre-req's right before they transferred.</p>

<p>UCLA has space for a little over 300 Philosophy transfer students, yet they only accepted 183 out of the 276 for fall 2007. Low GPA's and packing in their final classes. Not what UCLA or any UC wants to see.</p>

<p>Philosophy is a wonderful major, but it only gets more difficult as time goes by. In the end, you just have to do what you love.</p>

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<p>How come you're the "dream student?" Just wondering, I'm a Phil. major as well and would like to know how you've impressed the UCB rep.</p>

<p>It's the school that I go to. The professors have really good ties with UCB and I'm the front-runner for their Sociology/Philosophy scholarship ($1,000).</p>

<p>I told the UCB rep about what classes I took and about the scholarship. She said that so far, no Philosophy major from my CC with a GPA of 3.5 or higher has been rejected from UCB.</p>

<p>Also I have a 3.98 GPA and I took 8 Philosophy courses, several of them were Honors.</p>

<p>I seem a little late for this discussion, especially since it seems to have changed, but somebody will come here looking for advice about transferring as a philosophy major.</p>

<p>Here's my story, just to give you some footing on your situation:<br>
Transferred in from LACC in 2000 with a 3.5 gpa.<br>
At SMC, took two extra philosophy courses which LACC didn't offer.
Wrote solid personal statement.</p>

<p>NB: Nothing I did prior to UCLA prepared me for DOING philosophy at UCLA. </p>

<p>Philosophy is not an easy major -- not by a long shot. In fact, it's one of the few majors in which if you don't have some natural ability for it, then all the studying in the world isn't going to make you good at it. Of course studying hard helps. This opinion comes from someone who carried a 3.85 in his last two years of upper division philosophy courses. I say this so you don't wave away the warning as coming from someone who didn't get it.</p>

<p>If you have a choice, choose UCLA over Berkeley. My buddy went to Berkeley before transferring to UCLA, and he said UCLA was hands down the better program for undergrads.</p>

<p>Braininahat, why did your buddy say UCLA's philosophy was better than Berkeley's?</p>

<p>I'm not sure we got into the reasons. Or, if we did, I can't recall them. </p>

<p>I'll ask him and get back to you, though. </p>

<p>Obviously, Berkeley is ranked high on the PGR, likewise for UCLA, but the PGR ranking is mainly a ranking of the professors, prestige-wise, at a particular university with regard to the training they can offer graduate students. </p>

<p>There is no ranking system that I know of that ranks the training undergraduates get at a university. It would be very difficult to come up with such a ranking, mainly because you'd have to probably look at where the students end up going, instead of at any inherent quality of the program. Different schools use different systems to train their undergrads.</p>

<p>UCLA, for instance, has a rather unique system. UCLA concentrates on rigor over breadth, and a 10-week course sometimes covers all of one article. I had two classes that concentrated on a single article. This training is intended to sharpen your philosophical eye (excuse the methapor). This is very much a skill, and, like most skills, it requires expert instruction, lots of practice, and some natural ability. What's sacrificed at UCLA is, again, breadth of knowledge. </p>

<p>Some professors, both at UCLA and not at UCLA, think that this isn't the best way to train undergrads. This particular skill is something, they say, that you should learn at the graduate level. I sympathize with this sentiment, but I cannot say that I would have preferred to have been given breadth over the skill I currently have. </p>

<p>The UCLA department sticks to its method because it has proven successful. Success, here, measured in how prepared its students are for graduate level work -- their success as philosophers beyond UCLA. </p>

<p>This isn't to say that there aren't drawbacks to the system. There are. The focus on rigor, on philosophical acumen, the philosophical eye, takes away from acquiring a broader understanding of some of the works of many famous philosophers, theories, and views you'd almost expect for a philosophy student to know. The focus on 3-5 page papers on the narrowest of topics makes it extremely difficult to grasp the bigger picture, how this little topic fits in with a general philosophical view. I must have written 30 or 40 such papers, so unsurprisingly that's all I know how to write. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, when applying to graduate school, you need to submit a work of 15-20 pages. This isn't something UCLA prepares you to do. In graduate school, you end up choosing your own topic and writing lengthy papers on it. Again, this isn't something UCLA prepares you to do. Now, what you learn at UCLA isn't so completely unrelated that you can't wing writing such papers. Many students can write such papers, as evidenced by their success in getting into good programs and by doing well there. But to say that UCLA trained them how to write these papers is to be more than a little charitable. </p>

<p>But I'll take the good with the bad in this case.</p>

<p>My s has been accepted to both UCB and UCLA (honors candidate) and wants to major in philosophy in preparation for law school. He is really torn. He loves the intellectual environment at UCB, but feels at home at UCLA (also intellectual, I know). What can anyone tell us about the two programs? We’ve looked at the faculty list for both schools and they are hugely impressive. At the same time, how accessible are they? Where can he best have thought provoking conversations with students and faculty and not get lost in the enormity of the school? Some people have told us it would be a “huge mistake” if he didn’t go to UCB, but we know UCLA is respected world wide as well. Help!</p>

<p>i am a philosophy major at a CCC and i would definitely recommend it. I am hopefully transferring to UCLA in fall. I think the majority of people dont get jobs in the field of their major, but i would recommend if you are going into philosophy to go for a graduate degree ( PhD, Law school, MBA). It will teach you to think critically and analytically, which will help you in any career you go into.</p>