Philosophy

<p>Philosophy is a great major for undergrads. You learn critical thinking, analytical skills, effective communication, and how to evaluate complex and sometimes abstract information. It could be a very basis for going into law, medicine or business, plus a host of others.
Some well known folk who have done undergrad. in philosophy:
Carly Fiorina...............CEO of Hewlett Packard
David Souter..............Supreme Court Justice
Gerald Levin...............CEO Time Warner
William Bennett...........Secy. of Education</p>

<p>I read somewhere that philosophy majors were the third highest scorers on the LSAT (after math and economics majors), and second highest on the GMAT (after math majors)</p>

<p>If you love philosophy, go for it!!</p>

<p>Correction:
Carly Fiorina majored in Medieval History AND Philosophy from Stanford. I wonder if her parents said, "Now Carly, what in the world are you going to do with that combination?"</p>

<p>Woohoo! Philosophy! (I was beginning to think I was alone). More philosophias ... :)</p>

<p>As for programs, I think for undergrad it's really hard to really decipher which is better, etc ... so just go for the place's where you feel most comfortable. I personally love Brown's philosophy professors and all the philosophy lectures over there. However, for grad school, I've got a couple of school's lined up. But first I have to get accepted into college. heh.</p>

<p>Philosophy and economics is a common pairing, but I wouldn't add the economics unless you are genuinely interested in it as well. As for business, the corporate world is so broad that there is room for individuals trained in just about any discipline. For consulting firms (a significant percentage of the employers in large metropolitan areas) sharp liberal arts majors can be hired right out of college. What those employers are looking for are well-spoken, intelligent individuals, who write well, learn quickly, have some intellectual firepower and energy, and who work well with others. </p>

<p>Check out these two links for a comprehensive discussion of what advantages a philosophy degree may confer in addition to the intrinsic enjoyment of philo-sophia.</p>

<p><a href="http://www2.semo.edu/philosophy/why_major.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.semo.edu/philosophy/why_major.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www2.semo.edu/philosophy/whatcani.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www2.semo.edu/philosophy/whatcani.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>As to my career path - I will outline it for you on the chance that some aspect of it may assist you in your decision - I was in a PhD program and finally realized that I didn't want to teach Intro to Philosophy for 10 years while I stuggled to find a tenured position. Wrote a Master's thesis and departed. Had a soul-searching 18 months (teaching horseback riding to support myself) while I tried to figure out what I wanted to do - I applied for and got offers for editorial positions with magazines, but didn't like the salaries. An older friend's husband got me an interview for a position in an IT consulting firm, doing hands-on user training for a loan tracking system developed for Small Business Administration employees. Great job, decent $$$, traveled all over the country for six months.</p>

<p>I graduated to technical writing, then to systems requirements analysis (which I have come to consider as an innate talent for the philosophically trained, just like data modeling) - while gradually coming to understand the enormous variety and scope of work within IT. At this point, about 5 years into the working world, I was exposed to and trained in what was then called Information Systems Planning, a top-down structured methodology for the integration of applications and data throughout an organization. That was the watershed that focused my direction within the profession. Led to a concentration on data modeling, data warehouse design, data management, applications integration, data quality, etc. - all aspects of the seminal principles. </p>

<p>I had a number of opportunities to manage projects and programs along the way - that was rewarding, but I learned that I prefer to concentrate on deepening my knowledge and skills in the areas that are the most creative and rewarding - in short, I wanted to think about what I enjoyed, rather than worry about status reports, actual-to-baseline comparisons, and burn rates on a contract. Spent seven years as an independent consultant, mostly in technical lead positions on new software development projects. When people outside of the profession ask me what I do, I usually say "I make sense out of chaos." </p>

<p>At this point, I have achieved both a broad background in the industry and deep expertise in my selected areas. My areas of interest are by and large technology independent, an advantage in this fast-changing field. I have never written one line of code. Earnings are very comfortable, and steady. What I do cannot really be outsourced, and is great for international work. I put a confidential resume out on Monster recently, just casually fishing, and have received more than 20 interested responses in the past three weeks.</p>

<p>So to answer some 20/20 hindsight questions - </p>

<p>Would I major in Philosophy again? Yes. </p>

<p>Why? Enjoyment of the subject matter. The satisfactions of the examined life (this is the big payoff, career application only en passant). Development of the essential muscles of the rational mind. Reflex to question assumptions across the board - political, religious, personal. Ability to craft a sound and persuasive argument. The pleasure of recalling Aristotle's description of the concept of "place" in the Physics, the lasting amusement afforded by the explanation of God in the Leviathan. Biggest career payoff - confidence!Proof, again and again, that I can thrive by employing previously developed thinking and learning skills, respond effectively to challenges of reasoning, Etc. etc. etc.</p>

<p>Graduate Degree? Yes. Even though Philosophy has no direct relationship to IT, it is an advantage to have the M.A. - employers like it. It is often mentioned in interviews and at many firms, having any advanced degree helps for promotions and raises. I think the effect is like a generic "stamp of intelligence."</p>

<p>Graduate Degree in Philosophy? No, since I changed my mind about being a professor. My mother said "You should go to law school" - as we have mentioned in this thread, a natural fit. Attorneys my age are by and large making more money, in many cases much more money. However, from many observations over the years, I would generalize that they tend to be less 'dimensional' and definitely more cynical.</p>

<p>Change profession if granted a "Do-over?" Probably. I would probably do graduate work in radio communications (Interview Thinkers - Talk Show!) or creative writing (Playwright!). My current profession is rewarding and more than satisfies my left brain, but I also yearn for a right brain balance. As an empty nester as of fall 2005, I will begin to move in both these directions over the next few years.</p>

<p>Would you advise your own child to major in Philosophy? I have thought it very important to encourage exposure to philosophy. I haven't pushed, because his decisions are his own perogative, but he did take a college course in Ethics and a CTY course in Logic and Formal Reasoning, positive experiences. For the Oxford application he selected Philosophy, Psychology, and Physiology as the degree course. He has said that whatever his eventual major, he wants to take lots of courses in Philosophy, because it is the most intellectually rewarding subject thus far in his experience.</p>

<p>Could a student travel a similar path in IT today? I believe you could. Employers in the past decade have become a bit more stringent about what majors they are looking for, but many of the large firms still recruit liberal arts majors. </p>

<p>The key for a philosophy major would be to play to your strengths - target areas early in your IT career that highlight your skills, for example, Business Process Improvement (modeling, breaking down work actitvities and decisions into the smallest components, identifying opportunities for efficiency, and so on) or requirements analysis (working with business users to determine exactly what an information system must do - scope, business logic, features, etc. - and expressing them in atomic, unambiguous fashion, such as "The application must calculate the monthly sales total amount by store for each sales item category group."). The two examples above are skills that are described by the IT job classification "Business Analyst." You need to learn the methodologies so you can apply your thinking skills along structured channels for a specific result - but they can be learned through a skills course or on the job. </p>

<p>Hope this detail is of some use to you. What it does illustrate, I think, is that the direction of one's profession develops over time through a combination of focus, achievement, adaptability, and a bit of serendipity and luck. Very few majors or degrees deliver "The Final Profession" with batteries included, right out of the box. And individuals indeed continue to grow, change, and develop over their entire lifetime - there is rarely a point where you can say "This is it, there will be no more career decisions or major changes of direction in my life." If you're like me, I found that impossible to comprehend in my teens and early 20s. This perspective is tossing a message over the wall from further down the timeline.</p>

<p>Thank you yulsie! That was both enlightening and very helpful. :)</p>

<p>Wow! thanks for all your insight</p>

<p>I'm going to minor in philosophy after reading the site. I don't care what my parents think.</p>

<p>I'm a sophomore philosophy major, math minor, and have very little idea of what I want to do. I've wanted to go into advertising for quite some time, but I've wanted to go into a LOT of things. I also wanted to major in a LOT of things, and did wind up with a rather interesting combination. Of all the philosophy majors I know, some want to go to law school, and the rest really have no clue what they're going to do, but regarding their major, they are some of the most passionate students I know. The grad school, LSAT, GRE, etc. statistics for philosophy students are very impressive (I brought a bunch of those home to show my fretful father. I'd been debating between philosophy and engineering, so he was impressed with the fact that philosophy and the maths/sciences/engineering/CS all tended to top the lists), and career versatility is--in my opinion--one of the best aspects of the major. </p>

<p>This thread has been interesting, because I've had teachers (in HS as well as college) who were philosophy majors, but haven't really talked to many others about what can realistically be accomplished with the degree. Thanks to all for the input.</p>

<p>Student - Do you feel comfortable with your workload? I mean, do you have enough free time with a major and minor? Where do you go if you don't mind answering, and also, what do you think of the department?</p>

<p>I go to Scripps College. The philosophy department is joint between Scripps, CMC, and Pitzer, though all 5Cs (Claremont Colleges) offer philosophy courses, and as of tomorrow, I'll have taken philosophy on Scripps, Pomona, and Mudd. Math is a course that requires a lot of off-campus courses, and I've so far taken math at Scripps, Pitzer, and CMC. </p>

<p>I do feel comfortable with the workload, because in my own case, my degrees are in very different fields, work wise. Philosophy is more reading/writing, math is more problem solving...also, long term versus nightly assignments, discussion versus lecture, etc. I also happen to have kind of crazy degree requirements, so right now my upcoming classload is a little bit daunting, but for most people, a minor is very little added stress, as it's generally an area that's pursued more out of interest (or perhaps supplement, but either way, versus pure utility, as is sometimes the case with majors), and has relatively few degree requirements. I feel that I have plenty of free time...much more than I had in highschool, but to be totally honest, my HS experience leaves me with skewed judgment, and I'm pretty good at managing my time. I do think that a major/minor is totally managable, if that's your question. Sometimes people don't really "get" what I mean when I say I'm majoring in philosophy, and it can be comforting to back that up with "...aaaand a math minor" (lol). </p>

<p>The philosophy department at Scripps itself is quite tiny, but the Claremont consortium is great. It's actually very beneficial in philosophy since it does expose students to so many types of thinking (philosophy courses are common electives, and we get the diversity of five different colleges). I recently had an ethics course with students from all 5Cs, Claremont Graduate University, the Pitzer continuing adult program, and the Claremont School of Theology. I personally find it very beneficial, considering the subject, to have this as a potential feature of my classes. All of the Claremont Colleges are also pretty small, so usually, great emphasis is placed on discussion, student contribution, seminar-style learning, etc., and classes are very reasonably sized--all of which I also find beneficial to the study of philosophy. I'm only a sophomore, so am still unfamiliar with the finer points of the department, but I'm a fan so far :-) It's small (as it is anywhere), but strong. You can look up course offerings by going into the "Academic Portal" on <a href="http://www.scrippscollege.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.scrippscollege.edu&lt;/a>. An impressive number of philosophy events occur on the 5Cs, also...last year, Paul Nagel came and gave a lecture on Scripps (big present-day philosopher, author of some texts I've used). I've had a good experience with the department (by the way, if you look at the major requirements for Scripps/Pitzer/CMC philosophy, they're all in the process of being revised), but I was TOTALLY undeclared and undecided on my course of study when I came to Claremont, so I hadn't familiarized myself with the deparments here nor anywhere else, and will admit that I have very minimal basis for comparison.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info. Even if you're only a sophomore, it's helpful. :)</p>

<p>I was actually looking at the 5C's the other day. It seems like a cool setup - something for everybody.</p>

<p>As long as you can be comfortable in a fairly small (but not as much so as you'd think...) liberal arts environment, there is...</p>

<p>I'm a big fan ;o)</p>

<p>i want to try to fit some philosophy courses into my schedule at some point.. just haven't gotten around to it yet :/</p>

<p>I was considering a Philosophy/Psychology double major for the longest time, but have recently decided not to. I was wondering if the workload would be too much and the whole parent thing ("What are you going to do with Philosophy?") is too much. I'm attending Pomona College in the fall and I really don't know what I'm going to do with my interest in Philosophy. I'm also interested in Politics as a minor, or even better the Public Policy Analysis Program with a Psychology Emphasis at the Claremont Colleges. I really can't make up my mind. =T If all else fails, I'll just take a minor in Philosophy or many electives. The Public Policy Analysis Program with a Psych. emphasis has about 12 different required classes. Yeesh. Does anyone here have a Psych/Philosophy double major? Could you tell me about the classes required? Workload?</p>

<p>I would guess that that combination would be fairly managable b/c the two require fairly different types of study. You'd have a lot of reading, but philosophy has more papers, psych has more research. Your philosophy thesis would be a paper, your psych thesis would be a research experiment/write-up/etc. It would be a lot of reqs, especially as Pomona has quite a number of GEs (the PAC requirements).</p>

<p>I found it helpful to obtain all the grad school and standardized testing statistics I could regarding philosophy majors. Showing these to my dad made him a lot more tolerant of my decision. Especially if you do plan to go on to some sort of grad school, an undergrad major won't necessarily set the course for the rest of your life. Otherwise, even without a degree, there are a ton of philosophy electives (the department has very few pre-reqs for its courses).</p>