Physics BS+ Engineering grad school VS. engineering undergrad

<p>I know that i want to major in Physics or engineering..the question is, should i take 6 to 8 years to finish school for engineering or just get an undergrad civil engineering degree?
My parents have been talking about it and i am leaning towards getting a liberal arts degree then getting a masters or grad school for engineering- that way i can take a range of undergrad classes (i'm also interested in English )- bc as far as i know, most engineering programs/ the ones i am applying to are a designated track and don't leave much room for extra classes.
I'm applying to liberal arts schools as well as engineering schools and I'm just trying to sort out what i'm going to do!</p>

<p>any advice is appreciated...or if anyone can direct me to a thread that already covers this information : ) thanks in advance if anyone replies!!</p>

<p>If you want to be an engineer, suggest go to engineering school. If you want extra liberal arts courses, for your general education, beyond what the program allows for, take them in the summer at community college or something.</p>

<p>I did it your way- Physics + grad engineering- and I had gaps in my training that hurt me when I practiced engineering. Maybe that wouldnt have happened if my career had gone a different direction, but that’s how I perceived it, as it was.</p>

<p>My two cents:</p>

<p>You won’t go wrong with either B.S. eng. + M.S. eng. or B.S. Physics (or math or chemistry) + M.S. eng.</p>

<p>It’s true the basic sciences forsake the practical knowledge used in engineering. You will touch on thermal physics but you won’t do thermodynamics; you will touch on classical mechanics, but you won’t do the applied mechanics of fluids or materials; you will do inorganic chemistry but you won’t do the processing of materials covered in materials engineering; you will cover numerical methods in math, but you won’t do the applied finite element analysis or computational fluid dynamics of engineering. </p>

<p>But what you forsake in practical applied knowledge, you gain in foundational knowledge. As a physics graduate you will understand the true nature of heat much better than an engineer - you just won’t be anywhere near as good at analyzing heat transfer problems. You will understand the true nature of matter, and its particle/wave duality that leads to unbelievable phenomena like superconductivity and superfluidity - but you won’t be able to design a system that depends on mass transfer, chemical reaction, or the processing or superconductor materials for application in super-efficient electrical systems.</p>

<p>When employers hire, they want you to hit the ground running. That means they want you coming in with lots of practical knowledge. So if you plan on stopping at the B.S. level, think twice about pure science - although in this day and age, an M.S. is almost required for most cool engineering jobs anyway.</p>

<p>But if you are going to do an M.S. anyway, you’ll do great with a B.S. in Physics or any pure science. Matter of fact, you will not only have the practical engineering knowledge that make you attractive to employers, but also the much deeper foundational knowledge that belies all of engineering.</p>

<p>Another word: I’ve been on both sides, studying physics, and studying engineering. Here’s my impression: engineering students are driven by the idea of a successful and profitable career. Physics students are driven by the idea of learning about the world around them - knowing full well none of that knowledge is likely to ever come in handy in any job. One of the most impressive features of physics and mathematics students is that EVEN THOUGH they were almost certain to struggle with employment at graduation, they still chose to study some of the most challenging subjects around. And if you did well without the motivational idea of a fat salary, then I can be confident you will work even harder when I give you a paycheck. </p>

<p>Finally: engineering courses emphasize the application of equations to real problems, and dont’ spend much time deriving them - sometimes no time at all. In physics, chemistry, and math, all that foundational knowledge IS the emphasis. You WILL become good at deriving equations and model physical problems. An example: as an engineering student, my exams consisted of plugging in numbers into equations, and I was graded largely on my ability to choose the right equations, plug the right numbers, and get an accurate numerical result. As a physics student, my exams consisted of deriving equations, extracting physical insight from an equation, and explaining the general behavior of a physical system. In engineerin, if you plug in the wrong number by mistake, you may lose all credit; in physics, you will lose no credit, because numerical results are not the emphasis. In engineering, if you can’t derive an equation, that’s fine because you’re only supposed to use it; in physics, if you can’t derive an equation, you lose all credit.</p>

<p>For civil engineering specifically, isn’t licensing (Professional Engineer or PE license) a major issue, in that it is easier to go through the PE licensing process with an [url=&lt;a href=“http://www.abet.org%5DABET-accredited%5B/url”&gt;http://www.abet.org]ABET-accredited[/url</a>] engineering degree?</p>

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<p>Shouldn’t a good engineer or physicist know enough about an equation and its use to be able to immediately recognize that “something is not right” if an error is made plugging in one of the input values? Both the engineer who does not understand where the equation comes from and the physicist who does not have any idea of what kind of results to expect from a given set of input data could easily waste a lot of time because they did not catch an erroneous calculation early on when it was made.</p>

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<p>Actually, a lot of them go into applied math fields like finance; some go into computer software development, as the ability to think mathematically helps learn the concepts needed in that field. It is true that many physics majors do not end up in physics jobs, even though they may be employed in well paying jobs that depend on their math skills.</p>