Please Comment on these Music Schools for Violin in Performance and ME.

<p>For any of the following music schools, your comments would be appreciated for a Pa. HS violinist (performance and/or ME major) regarding difficulty of admission, strength of violin teachers, strength of orchestra, music scholarship opportunities, overall college atmosphere (liberal, conservative, moderate), and any other important feature that I may have overlooked:</p>

<p>George Mason
Shennandoah
Catholic University of America
Temple
West Chester University
Princeton
Carnegie Mellon
Duquesne
James Madison
Susquehanna
Penn State University
University of Michigan
Bucknell
Delaware
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Mercyhurst
Ohio State University
Capital University</p>

<p>Thanks so much.</p>

<p>I'll speak from the standpoint of a parent of a conservatory grad, (violist) who was unsure going in if he wanted performance or music ed. Much detail in my prior posts accessible by searching, but in a nutshell, he limited himself to conservatory programs within a university setting that offered a 5 year double major performance/ed degree and the background of the specific applied performance faculty.</p>

<p>He is a gifted performer, and that is his passion. On the same token, he loves to teach, has taught, coached quartets, and given individual instruction since he was in high school. He was hired as full faculty at an adult chamber music program while a junior in hs. He maintains this position still. </p>

<p>He spent 4 1/2 years in the dual pursuit, and realized he did not want to teach in a public classroom setting. He opted for just the BM performance, while amassing a very credit heavy minor in Music Ed. He is basically short the student teaching semester and a state mandated health course, both required for certification. </p>

<p>He also won a regional chair in his fourth post grad audition, and is now tenured.</p>

<p>Like you, we were neophytes, with no musical background. While we had a kid who was highly talented, lived and breathed music 24/7, and had numerous assessments from active performing professionals as to the level and potential of his abilities, we had reservations.</p>

<p>We supported his pursuit, never pushed him to the ed (he was the one who suggested the dual major), but were fully aware of just how competitive it is at the highest levels. </p>

<p>I would suggest you look deeply at the programs, and investigate the ease (or lack thereof) of a dual pursuit, and try and pin down how easy it is to move between programs if her focus shifts more to performance than ed, or vice versa. A starting place are those that offer the dual pursuit, but bear in mind that individual instructors also can be supportive or stonewalling; some may see the ed as a diversion, even at an institution that pays lip service in supporting dual degrees.</p>

<p>Violin at the highest level is extremely competitive. To make it as a section performer at the highest level requires extraordinary talent, a great deal of luck, and a focus that many cannot maintain. For those of us that HAVE a performance driven kid with aspirations of performing professionally at the top levels, I'd say that MOST of us knew it way before we started looking at college programs.</p>

<p>Many kids are unsure of their own talents, their potential, and their drive. Some need stability, and the ability to put bread on the table, while others don't care if they have a table or even bread, as long as they can play. Part of the process is understanding your kid, and more importantly, your kid understanding themselves. It's not unusual for performers to switch to ed (or pedagogy), and performance driven ed majors to opt for performance. And there's alway the Masters, with performance BM holders opting for an MM in ed. You'll also see ed grads pursuing performance masters.</p>

<p>Most of the schools on your list will provide a solid music ed background, and a number will serve to provide a solid basis for performance. The trick here is finding the right teacher/instructor/mentor. Beyond that peer quality, ratio of grads to undergrads, size, location, financial considerations will carry weight based on individual needs.</p>

<p>Some of these programs may weigh academics more heavily than others. Princeton, CMU are most certainly the hardest academically. There is a range of admission standards among the rest. While all (off the top of my head) are audition based BM pursuits (save Princeton where performance track is a Certificate Program) each will have their own criteria regarding audition versus academic weight in admissions. Be aware that performance path candidates are often held to a higher audition standard than ed majors. In a dual perf/ed pursuit, the audition standard is the same as performance. For a music ed candidate, the academic standard may be higher than for straight performance applicant. Most music ed programs also have an interview process.</p>

<p>UMich is probably the strongest from a performance standpoint, but it's also the largest in terms of size. Bucknell tends not to be oft mentioned in a list for high level performance programs.</p>

<p>That being said, there are exceptional student musicians and faculty at all these. The trick is finding the right "fit".</p>

<p>Look carefully at Princeton's program. My understanding is that it is a BA academically based program, with the focus on history, theory, musicology. I was unsure from a quick reading about the Certificate in Performance, and whether it was in conjunction with a BA in music or an academic discipline. I don't think music ed is an offered degree pursuit. There are world class students at Princeton, including a few performing profesionally, but the tendency is to study with area "name" instructors. It can be the right place for one in a performance track, but is not the norm in terms of program structure.</p>

<p>Scholarships, merit/talent aid is institution specific and the policies are usually on the music school/department website. Talent aid is a direct function of standing within the audition pool. Shenandoah can be generous for top candidates, I don't know specifics about the others. There are a couple of threads with past dollar amounts awarded (Miami-OH is on the list).</p>

<p>Consider looking at Kent State, historically a solid mid-west program.</p>

<p>Sorry for the verbiage and non-specific info.</p>

<p>A small faith based institution Houghton College with a solid rep as a music ed school, especially within the northeast. The religious affiliation may or may not be a concern, but as you had Catholic U of America on the list, I'd thought I'd mention it. </p>

<p>Welcome</a> to the Greatbatch School of Music</p>

<p>Also from the NSPC link on your other thread is Marywood University
Music</a> Department - Marywood University</p>

<p>I have no specific knowledge of either other than the "good rep" of Houghton and the String Project affiliation of Marywood.</p>

<p>Temple is a great school. Both of the music ed and performance programs are wonderful. I don't know too much about the string program, but I've heard the faculty is quite prestigious. As far as the school itself, it is located in North Philly, which isn't the greatest of areas, but the campus itself is extremely safe (complete with its own police force). I would say it is a fairly liberal school, it is a very large university so it has a place for everyone to fit in. The music school (obviously) is much smaller and has a conservatory type feel with the added benefit of a large university, if thats what your looking for. Merit (music based) scholarships are only given to performance majors, not music ed. All music students are, of course, open to academic scholarships. As far as the orchestra, most of what I've heard has been very, very good. The orchestra has performed at Carnegie, the Kimmel Center, among other venues. I believe they are under new direction this year. </p>

<p>Shenandoah is pretty much the opposite as far as atmosphere. It is located in a more rural area and I got the feeling it was much more conservative. Seems they have more of a focus on their MT dept. at this point in time. Professors I've met are very good. I've heard they may be trying to build up their strings department. If you have anymore questions feel free to PM me!</p>

<p>For what it's worth, my D is currently a Freshman violin performance major at Ithaca and adores the school, the teacher, and the orchestras. I know that Ithaca really specializes more in ME, so I thought you might be interested. Feel to contact me if you need more info.</p>

<p>I have a son who is a freshman at Susquehanna, although not a music major, as well as a wife who is an alumna with a degree in music ed. My take is that the music ed and choral programs there are very good. The instrumental and operatic performance programs have their strengths and weaknesses. I would strongly suggest a visit and trial lesson to determine whether they are going to meet your needs in any particular specialty. The orchestra contains some non-music majors and performs only three concerts a year. While not up to major conservatory standards, they are a lot better than you might expect of a smallish LAC out in farm country. I would characterize the overall climate as slightly to the conservative side of moderate. However, you may wish to take into account that my daughter is a senior at Oberlin, a school that makes most others appear to be on the conservative side of moderate.</p>

<p>Freshmen are allowed to have cars on campus. My son does not have a car there, but has been able to get rides from friends when he really needs them. There are free shuttles to and from the bus and rail transport hub in Harrisburg around the longer school breaks. It is a very pretty campus and they are in the midst of a building spurt with a science building and a few dorms currently under construction. The music building is quite nice, having been overhauled a few years back, including a recital hall that has excellent acoustics. Most of the freshman dorms are pretty nice with adequately-sized rooms and the cafeteria food is decent if a little repetitive.</p>

<p>You might want to consider University of Maryland. It is a smaller school, but pretty good quality though not as competitive as the really top schools. The violin faculty is pretty good and the facilities are gorgeous. I know of one very serious violinist who is doing music ed. there although I don't know much about their music ed. program.</p>

<p>I see that George Mason and Shenandoah is first on your list - are you in Virginia?</p>

<p>I live in Northern Virginia, very close to George Mason, and my best friend is a violinist who plays in the orchestra under Mr. Maiello and studies with Peter Haas. She really loves learning with Mr. Haas - I say that only for her, as I've never met the guy. I have watched the symphony orchestra perform, sat in to observe a rehearsal, and met Mr. Maiello personally. He's an extremely friendly person and is very serious in rehearsal.. a good balance. He seems like an amazing conductor by his speech and is also extremely animated. George Mason is actually one of my top choices!</p>

<p>There are 32,000 students at Maryland (College Park)! Not exactly a small school. And it is actually quite competitive, especially for violin. I'm not saying don't go for it, but do not consider UM a safety!</p>

<p>All I meant to say was that the music school is small. I think there are a total of 300 students over half of whom are graduate students. This is petite compared with any stand-alone conservatory that I know of. It is fairly separate geographically from a lot of the rest of the campus with a dorm across the way. Of course, the University is huge, but my kids' experience is that music students on university campuses are usually a pretty self-contained group. Our impression, when we looked at it last year was that it would be quite a nurturing place. I never meant to suggest it as a "safety", but it's not quite as hard as some.</p>

<p>Compared with stand-alone conservatories the Maryland music department would be a bit smaller than average. It is much smaller than Eastman, Juillliard, Manhattan School of Music and Peabody, a bit smaller than Boston Conservatory, Cleveland Institute, and New England Conservatory, about the same size as Mannes and San Francisco Conservatory, and much larger than Colburn, Curtis, or Longy (counting students seeking college degrees, not the pre-conservatory programs where they exist).</p>

<p>Note: I realize some of these schools are affiliated with larger institutions, but they are still physically separated from those institutions so I included them as "stand-alone" in that sense.</p>