Please help me brainstorm college options for my son.

I’m looking for some “match” schools with Engineering, ideally Chem E, for my pre-med son. Please help! Thanks!!

He’s politically and socially liberal and not religious, so he’d like to avoid super conservative or religious schools. Diverse is great. He likes the outdoors, not big cities. A funky college town near ski slopes would be a perfect match to him, lol.

He’ll be applying to U Alabama (where our eldest is attending very happily on a National Merit package), WVU (our local uni that also offers generous merit aid) and also U KY (another strong NM school). Those should all be financial safeties and have lots of good things to offer.

I think he’ll apply to one or two Ivies for fun-sies, but it is unlikely we’ll actually be able to afford it if he gets in to one. (Yes, I know they offer generous neeed-based aid, but we will be unlikely to qualify. We have a high income, but we’re busily repaying our student and business acquisition debts, let alone funding our rapidly approaching retirements, so, no, paying 60k++/yr is not actually in our realm of possibilities, particularly since we have an older daughter already in college and a younger one in the pipeline. Anyway, our son knows all this, and he knows that unless we get a surprising financial aid letter, it’s a nonstarter as we simply can’t afford the full price tag at any of those schools.)

So, now, my question to y’all is where should he look at for “match” type schools that might offer some generous (competitive) merit aid that he might qualify for?

Our budget is ideally under 25k/yr family contribution, maybe 30k if it’s an incredible perfect whatever . . . so I’m thinking that means we need competitive merit scholarships of close to full tuition to comfortably stay under 25k/yr for room/board/books/etc. Honestly, the less we spend on undergrad, the more we can help with med school, and since we’ll be paying my husband’s loans off until all these kids are past college . . . I’m pretty averse to school debt. So, any schools that might offer big merit aid would be at the top of my list.

So, his details:

Class of 2017. :slight_smile:

Homeschooled throughout. 4.0 (unweighted) GPA – not terribly meaningful since he’s homeschooled. Academically rigorous studies. Fluent in Spanish, 4 years of math, music, science, English, history, Spanish, etc.

Anticipated NMF (based on PSAT score of 212 and living in WV which has pretty much the lowest of any state cutoff historically. Only took SAT once in 10th grade with no prep, and got a 1960. Will be retaking it in October and also the ACT in September. I predict substantially higher scores, since he will be prepping and obviously is older/further along. Most likely should be in the top 1-2% of national scores based on his other testing, etc.

APs - MicroEcon (3) in 9th grade, Env. Sci (4) in 10th; Chem, AB Calc, English Comp (all waiting on scores until next week – fingers crossed for lots of 5s or maybe 4s, but I have no idea) This coming year, he’ll likely take BC
Calc and maybe one or both of the C Physics for APs. And of course a rigorous overall schedule.

Main Extracurriculars:

  • He's a very accomplished classical guitarist (has studied with world class performers and had various prestigious competition wins, awards, festivals, etc.) but he won't be pursuing that career wise or in college.
  • Strong history (300-500 hrs++) of serious involvement with 2 local nonprofit environmental groups. Lots of mentoring/leadership/etc.
  • FIRST Robotics 10th-12th grade -- awesome team, tons of wins, 100s of hours involvement.
  • Boy Scout Life Scout (1 level below Eagle) -- ended participation in 10th grade

Thank you in advance for brainstorming with me!

Hi! University of Colorado Boulder seems like a great fit based on his interests and the type of school environment he’s looking for. I’m not familiar with how strong their merit aid offerings are, so I’m not sure if it would be in budget. Good luck!

Utah schools tend to be low cost.

Perhaps Lafayette? It has chemical engineering, and they offer some merit aid.

If he ends up with good standardized test scores, look into the Ohio publics- Ohio State, OU, Miami of OH, & the University of Cincinnati, which had an excellent co op program and merit aid.

How serious is the interest in skiing? A throw-in or strong passion? Because many of these schools like Alabama obviously are not close to any skiing.

My other observation is that Chem engineering, as opposed to straight Chem, is a very rigorous undergraduate course of study that is going to make it very difficult to pull the grades necessary for Med School admissions. I would not recommend my S go ChemE if he was pre-med for that very reason. Your S is going to need to get very high grades to get into Med School, and those will be very hard to come by in ChemE.

If he is content with Chem v. ChemE , that opens up the range of choices for schools enormously.

Good luck!

Thanks all! I appreciate the ideas!

@“Erin’s Dad”, my husband and I met at Utah State (grad school), and we loved it there. One thing I learned, though, was that although as grad students, the grad student body wasn’t highly LDS, the undergrad populations at Utah colleges are (logically) largely LDS. We have LDS friends and we lived among them happily, but I know that there is a strong pressure to date within the religion and/or to convert people and the cultural disapproval of various “norms” outside that religion is quite strong (R movies, coffee, alcohol, premarital sex, etc.). The Word of Wisdom would definitely not be compatible with my coffee-addicted son, lol. My son would not (ever) convert and is strongly atheist, so really, it’d be hard for him to live in Utah culture as an undergrad, and he certainly loves girls and will be eager to date in college, so I don’t think Utah makes sense for him. :slight_smile: If we were LDS, we never would have left Utah, though. It’s so beautiful.

@ColdinMinny, I actually have recommended that he consider Chem E because he’s enjoyed AP Chem and the better job prospects in case he doesn’t end up going to med school for any reason. Having a science background myself, I know that good career jobs are hard to come by with straight bio/chem/etc degrees, but Chem E offers a great career path on its own. I can’t see why straight Chem would be a lot easier than Chem E?? Anyway, I appreciate the thought. Grades matter for med school, that’s for sure.

Skiing (actually snow boarding) is just a fun interest, not a requirement. Education comes first . . . hobbies can be satisfied by travel. :slight_smile: It is important/required to have a comfortable social/educational environment and probably to be somewhere that he can get into the woods regularly and avoid major city noise/smog/etc, but I think he can manage 4 years away from the slopes. (My older dd in AL is managing, lol).

FWIW, Al, Ky, and WVU are “easy” safety ones we’ve come up with that would provide him with pretty much full rides, are solid schools with good (WVU) to great (AL, KY) honors programs and all offer engineering, so they’re sort of easy starting points. Ky should be “free” and is a half-day’s drive and happens to have a great (and very cool) classical guitarist who my son has previously met/played with a bit – so that’s a fun “extra” . . . WVU is our home school (local) and also should be “free” and then AL also offers a very generous NM package and his big sis, whom he is very close and compatible with, goes there, so obviously, that is appealing for many reasons.

What I’m looking for now is the next level up – a few that seem like they’d offer something different/better than the big state schools listed above . . . but might be more competitive for scholarships . . . There’s just so many schools to consider . . . So, just looking for ideas. I guess looking for "great schools that have ENGR, are not strongly conservative and/or religious, are located in a region with accessible natural areas, and also offer around full-tuition merit aid (competitive OK).

Colorado College?

“A funky college town near ski slopes would be a perfect match to him, lol.”

Fort Lewis College, Mesa State, Colorado State, CU Boulder - All safeties and 3 of them participate in WUE

I have a snowboarder kid at FLC - serious snowboard culture here, their brochures have snowboarders on them and campus is basically empty on a powder day. The town is also very funky. It is probably not for you because academics and skiing/riding seem to be of equal importance.

I understand the LDS connection/issue.

U of Wyoming in Laramie. Cheap and accepts everyone. Has some great programs and skiing.

Ranked as one of the best college towns–
http://www.uwyo.edu/uw/news/2015/09/website-ranks-laramie-no.-1-among-small-college-towns.html

U Delaware?

If he can get enough merit, Clarkson University could be a happy fit for him.

May I ask - why home school a child throughout and then shoot him out to a huge OOS state school?

Have you looked at these lists for merit scholarships?

http://automaticfulltuition.yolasite.com/
http://competitivefulltuition.yolasite.com/
http://nmfscholarships.yolasite.com/

But verify on college web sites, since some may have changed or may change this coming year.

Rutgers…cheap out of state tuition, good engineering program, fits what you’ve listed

Rutgers is over $40K per year OOS, not that cheap. U MN has great ChemE, currently $32K/year OOS (although it likely will be going up soon).

Minnesota appears not to do direct admission to engineering majors; a 3.2 college GPA in prerequisites is needed to assure admission to an engineering major. Others may be admitted competitively if there is space available.
https://cse.umn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ChemicalEng-1.pdf

Thanks all! Much ideas to research! I appreciate your help!!

@ucbalumnus, THANK YOU!! That is perfect!! I’ve used the NM yolasite list extensively, but had no idea the other two existed! Fantastic!! Woohoo!!

@ClarinetDad16, if you are really curious, I will PM you the lengthy response I just drafted explaining why homeschooling has better prepared my child for exploring the world than traditional schooling would have. LOL, I realized that my lengthy exposition on the benefits of homeschooling is not probably actually helpful or needed on this forum. :slight_smile:

The TL;DR version is: He’s strong, resilient, curious, adaptable, and otherwise prepared intellectually and emotionally. Bottom line is that I respect his ability to make this important life choice for himself, and I also personally believe he is prepared.

Why wouldn’t you? Homeschooling doesn’t mean home bound. Most homeschoolers I know do a large percentage of their learning outside their homes. My son considered large OOS schools. If finances had been better, he’d have had no problems attending one of them.