<p>My argument is that choosing schools blindly on prestige is stupid. I never said that it was stupid to have the prestige a factor in your decision. If you are interested in i-banking, for example, it would be important to go to a school with the prestige equivalent of an ivy league school. However, everyone has different goals and different directions in life, and that each person has different factors in deciding a college. Choosing a school solely on one factor like prestige, not only is shallow, but stupid. You should realize that prestige just doesn't matter for some students, some are looking for factors beyond that, and they don't need to rely on the prestige of thier school later on in life. Can you explain exactly why it would be STUPID for someone to not have prestige an important factor in their college decisions?(other than their self-esteem/ego)</p>
<p>This is no true ranking system without M!!</p>
<p>Prestige (EAST)
H
Y
P
S
M</p>
<p>Prestige (WEST)
H
S
Y
P
M</p>
<p>Undergrad
P
Y
M
S, H</p>
<p>Graduate
H
S, M
Y
P</p>
<p>Personal Faves
M, P
S, H
Y</p>
<p>Pretty much Grad is reverse of Undergrad... but to be completely serious... all 5 are excellent!!!</p>
<p>Prestige is stupid... but it's the easiset one to rank of course.</p>
<p>If you only want to know about the prestige of the school and not how good the departments are, you're probably applying for the wrong reasons.</p>
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It should be an important factor in your decision - if you dont factor it in, THATS what id call stupid..
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I think you've been on CC for a little too long then, dear. Not factoring prestige in isn't stupid. You sound stupid, if anything. One of the most brilliant people I know, my AP English teacher, went to Fordham and did graduate at Temple. I know for a fact prestige wasn't on his mind because he told me so. He has a great career and is extremely happy. It is not necessary to make prestige a factor and if you make it primary to all else, it's clear you want a boosted ego. If it is one factor, that could be understandable, but it should not be the deciding factor.</p>
<p>Jill Kelly... read my above posts... I havent said anywhere that it should be the only factor you should choose your school on... Clearly shows who the stupid one is..</p>
<p>I said it should be one of the factors, which is why an overwhelming majority choose hardvard over fordham or temple.. I could give you ten counter examples of people like your english teacher who went to a top school, are happy, and are doing amazingly in life..</p>
<p>Basically, going to a more prestigious school just boosts your chances of doing well in life in say the corporate world, simple because of recruiting opportunities, better quality of education (the schools are pretigious for a reason), more resources (again youll find a trend with the more prestigious school having more money and therefore being able to afford better resources), etc.. If you are happy being an english teacher, and thats what you want in life, all power to you... Dont choose on prestige then..</p>
<p>If you want to do anything else (business, law, medicine, science, etc), a more prestigious school helps.. Its just a fact.. Theres a reason why more Harvard alums get into top grad schools, and why CitiGroup recruits more people from Yale as compared to Temple..</p>
<p>It evidently shows you're the stupid one for calling someone stupid just because they don't give a damn about prestige.<br>
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But dont knock prestige as being superficial if its used as one of your deciding factors.. It should be an important factor in your decision - if you dont factor it in, THATS what id call stupid..
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Congrats on sounding ignorant.
I know what you said and read your post. I also said it doesn't make you bad to consider prestige when picking a school. Read my post, smart one.:p
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If it is one factor, that could be understandable, but it should not be the deciding factor.
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Yes, I do agree for those careers you mentioned prestige gives a helpful boost, never said it didn't. :)</p>
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<p>1.) If you want to sound intelligent and be taken seriously, please refrain from typing "Uhhh." It makes you sound dumb and immature.
2.) Prestige is a major factor when selecting colleges. For instance, the salary of Ivy undergrads are significantly higher than those of say, UCF. Prestigious colleges have good connections when it comes to careers, especially in business, and the name itself is a major advantage.
2.) Miserable Havardians? There are miserable students in almost every school. Try to get something more concrete next time :)
3.) Nobody cares if you know Ivy grads who make ****. The stats prove that the AVERAGE salary of Ivy/top 25 grads are higher than the majority of other institutions. You should look at real data rather than talking about people you supposedly "know." </p>
<p>Did you even know that that the average STARTING salary for Harvard Business School is $103,000 (according to US news)? Good luck getting that much at a school with little prestige ;)</p>
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<p>1.) Was calling him stupid really necessary? Even though you can't refute his claims doesnt mean that you should resort to ad hominem attacks. Lets be mature in this thread :)
2.) Stop giving information based on people you meet! I can equally say that my AP Calculus teacher is upset because he turned down Cornell and has a crappy pay. How much does your teacher make anyway? LOL.... Prestige shouldnt be the only factor. There are many prestigious schools, one can choose the school he/she is most suited for. If you wanna live rich and happy, then the name of a school is a big factor. No way in my life would I want to be a teacher and make a crappy salary haha. </p>
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<p>I think YOU need to do more of the reading.....
Please also consider facts rather than personal opinion alone :)</p>
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If you want to sound intelligent and be taken seriously, please refrain from typing "Uhhh." It makes you sound dumb and immature.
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I don't care how I sound on a college forum. I'll type what I want. Putting up pictures of blacks being lynched? Now that's dumb. Therefore, nothing you say can be taken seriously, since all you do is troll like some idiot with waaay too much free time. You already IMed me to tell me my "Uhhhh" was annoying. I. Don't. Care.
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Prestige is a major factor when selecting colleges. For instance, the salary of Ivy undergrads are significantly higher than those of say, UCF. Prestigious colleges have good connections when it comes to careers, especially in business, and the name itself is a major advantage.
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I'm aware. That is why I've researched salaries of graduates from various programs. Yes, making a good salary is important to me. But I wouldn't choose a name above being happy. For most of the people I know, prestige is not the number one factor, though it may be a factor.
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Miserable Havardians? There are miserable students in almost every school. Try to get something more concrete next time.
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If you knew a lot of miserable people at a particular school, would you want to attend? Student body reflects a lot about the school from what I've seen. Yes, there are miserable students at every school -- whether it be Harvard or Penn State. But I visited Harvard and Yale and Yale's student body was drastically different and far more positive.
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Nobody cares if you know Ivy grads who make ****. The stats prove that the AVERAGE salary of Ivy/top 25 grads are higher than the majority of other institutions. You should look at real data rather than talking about people you supposedly "know."
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I know this. But a large salary doesn't always equate with happiness, which is my number one concern, although I am concerned with salary. Plenty of people with enormous salaries are miserable individuals.
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Did you even know that that the average STARTING salary for Harvard Business School is $103,000 (according to US news)? Good luck getting that much at a school with little prestige.
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Hey, it depends on the individual. Though I wouldn't deny it would be the case most of the time. Harvard's name carries great weight. Never said it didn't.
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Was calling him stupid really necessary? Even though you can't refute his claims doesnt mean that you should resort to ad hominem attacks. Lets be mature in this thread
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No, it wasn't necessary to call water stupid, though I still think what he said was rather lame. What claims do I have to refute? I was mainly annoyed when he said a person who doesn't factor prestige into their decision is stupid. I disagree. Some people aren't in the position to factor prestige in their decision, so they try and make the best choice that they can based on other factors. Maturity? You're the last person to be lecturing anyone about maturity. :p
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Stop giving information based on people you meet! I can equally say that my AP Calculus teacher is upset because he turned down Cornell and has a crappy pay. How much does your teacher make anyway? LOL.... Prestige shouldnt be the only factor. There are many prestigious schools, one can choose the school he/she is most suited for. If you wanna live rich and happy, then the name of a school is a big factor. No way in my life would I want to be a teacher and make a crappy salary haha.
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My school district pays well. He's satisfied and has a great family. But what matters most is that he is happy with teaching and how he makes a difference in his students lives. He sure did mine. :)</p>
<p>Yeesh. They're all good schools. With regards to prestige, sure, it matters. I won't deny that at all. But when you're talking about HPYS...they're so close to equal that other factors become far more important.</p>
<p>Take a trip, talk to a professor, do a little research. Then make your decision.</p>
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<p>OMG, are you on CC all the time? </p>
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<p>Making a good salary is the number one factor. If it wasnt, people wouldnt be going to college to begin with. Thats why prestige matters.</p>
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<p>1.) Stop basing your arguments on people you know rather than using facts. I can equally say that my Calc teacher hates himself for turning down Cornell. It doesnt prove anything either way.
2.) Just because some people are miserable at a particular institution doesnt mean you will be miserable there as well. Basing decisions the opinons of others in the school is downright stupid.
3.) What claims do you have to refute? LOL, everything, and that using real facts!
4.) Prestige+financial situation> everything else. That is the case for most.</p>
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<p>Take a trip, talk to a professor, do a little research. Then make your decision.
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<p>What proportion of Ivy applicants actually do that? The majority apply based on prestige alone.</p>
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OMG, are you on CC all the time?
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Not really. Are you? I guess you care to be since you keep getting banned and making new names. :p
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Making a good salary is the number one factor.
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Alright, speak for yourself.
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If it wasnt, people wouldnt be going to college to begin with. Thats why prestige matters.
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You did not just say that <em>chuckles</em>. Sometimes to do what you'd really love to do (teaching included) you need to go to college to get a degree. People wouldn't go to college to begin with? Then why do the lower tier schools have students?
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Stop basing your arguments on people you know rather than using facts. I can equally say that my Calc teacher hates himself for turning down Cornell. It doesnt prove anything either way.
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What difference would it make? I've got teachers at my school from UPenn and Dartmouth and some other fine institutions. They wanted to teach! If you want to argue with me that the district would give them more money because they went to an Ivy, I'd say you're wrong. Maybe your Calc teacher shouldn't be a teacher! The more experienced teachers of my districts make more money.
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Just because some people are miserable at a particular institution doesnt mean you will be miserable there as well. Basing decisions the opinons of others in the school is downright stupid.
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When I go to visit a school I pay close attention to the student body. If it makes me stupid, okay. You're as happy as you make yourself to be but even with massive resources, these kids looked seriously depressed. It's Harvard I'm talking about. Yale, Penn, and Princeton seem to have way more spirited bodies of people who appear to want to be there.
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What claims do you have to refute? LOL, everything, and that using real facts!
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Um, what? You sound drunk. Go edit that before your 20 minutes are up. I was refuting one thing a prior poster said. Everything? What's everything?
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Prestige> everything else. That is the case for most.
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Not where I live. Most people I know care more about happiness and what they're going to do to get there. :)
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What proportion of Ivy applicants actually do that? The majority apply based on prestige alone.
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How do you know? Did you ask all of them and come to this conclusion? Going to visit the school to get an idea of what it is like there is a smart choice. Why wouldn't you if you had the chance?</p>
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<p>LOL, I'm speaking for the majority! You sound confused...</p>
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<p>FOR GOD'S SAKE, use some FACTS to support yourself! Just because your teachers want to teach, doesnt mean that the majority go to college without considering the pay for a job!</p>
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<p>You're stupid. Not that I mean to offend you, but you actually proved yourself to be stupid. I am not gonna waste my time replying to dumbphucks like you.</p>
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<p>Why did God create retards like you? Please dont tell me that you believe the majority of the 22k+ Harvard applicants visited Harvard, for instance.</p>
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I only come here because I wanna succeed on my AP exams.
You should:
1.) Go out and breathe the fresh air.
2.) Go to the gym and stop munching on twinkies.
3.) Get someone to hang out with.
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You should go get some friends and stop trolling a college forum meant to be helpful. And I don't like twinkies, by the way. You've made it clear you have no friends and no actual life.
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LOL, I'm speaking for the majority! You sound confused...
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Once again, you sound like a ****ing idiot. You CAN'T SPEAK FOR the majority. It's a pity someone as dumb as you thinks he can get into an elite school. Oh wait...it's because your stats are lies. :)
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BEACUSE THEY CAN EARN MORE MONEY in the future! Is there a rock in your head? People go to third tier school because they're sucky students or because they can't afford ivy league education.
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Exactly. And you made it sound as if a person goes to college solely because they want an enormous paycheck when many go because it will allow them to pick the career that will make them happiest. Pay often comes second to happiness.
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Nobody cares about the people you know. Go do some valid research.
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I mentioned in a prior post I've done my research but generally speaking people I know are helpful...
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Why did God create retards like you? Please dont tell me that you believe the majority of the 22k+ Harvard applicants visited Harvard, for instance.
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I didn't say that, did I? Congrats on sounding like a dumbass for the umpteenth time, asking why a god created me when you know I'm a borderline atheist. What you say has no effect. Go worry about how you'll hide your tracks instead. Not that it is possible. :)</p>
<p>Prestige
1.Harvard
2.Yale
4.Princeton
4.Stanford</p>
<p>Overall(undergraduate)
1.Yale
2.Princeton
3.Stanford
4.Harvard</p>
<p>Overall(graduate)
1.Harvard
2.Stanford
3.Yale
4.Princeton</p>
<p>Going to stay out of the rest of the argument because its just going around in circles, but jill kelly - stop using personal experiences as a justification for what you say...</p>
<p>No one cares how happy your calculus teacher is, because my great grandfathers uncles thirteenth cousins friends caculus teacher was unhappy after graduating from drexel... Thats how ridiculous your argument sounds..</p>
<p>Also, by calling me stupid and by referring to klanmans earlier posts (I have no idea what they are, nor do i really care), you're not really helping your argument... it does little to prove what you are trying to show.. it just shows how immature you are.. Get a life, get off cc (replying to posts within 5 minutes obviously proves you dont have much of a life) and actually bring some facts to the argument..</p>
<p>Actually, I do have a life. I'm not even on CC everyday. Today marks the record for my posting...You don't know me and aren't in a position to judge me. Also, KlanMan was the one with the Calc teacher, not me. Read before you respond.
What you said about people being stupid to not consider prestige sounded ignorant. Sorry! I don't need to "help an argument" because you sound ludicrous. Due to how ludicrous you sound, I can't take you calling me immature seriously. :) Um, I referred to KlanMan's argument because I was arguing some points he made, obviously. My main point was that happiness should come before prestige, not that prestige should not be a factor. People who only care about prestige and nothing else are insecure and need and ego boost. And no, calling you stupid wasn't right. I'll apologize for that.</p>
<p>haha, oh man this is entertaining</p>
<p>Apology accepted..</p>
<p>And it was entertaining... CC needs more debate..</p>
<p>We more debate involving those who actually can debate with concrete support.</p>