Pls chance me!!!

<p>Hi guys, I'm a Vietnamese student n' i intend to apply to Smith (Fall 2009).
I'm very nervous about my stats and really need your help. Could you guys pls tell my about my chance???? </p>

<p>GPA: 10th: 8.6/10 (I think this is equivalent to 3.7~3.8 in the US)
11th: 8.6/10
SAT I : 1830 (soooooooooooooooo low, actually I had some probs on my test day. I had never expected to have that terrible score T________<em>T. I’ll retake SAT1 this Nov T</em>T. I expect to bring it up to a 2000)
SAT II: Math I: 740 (super low)
Math II: 800</p>

<p>Activities:</p>

<p>-SJ Vietnam (Solidarites Jeunesses Vietnam)- Volunteer<br>
-3R Hanoi project -Volunteer
-Vietnamese Youth Volunteer (VYV)-Translator
-Students in Free Enterprise (SIFE) - Translator
-VietAbroader Conference Hanoi 2008- Passing of the Torch -Public Relation officer
-Vietnam Youth Forum (Hanoi International School) - Member
-Non profit Link project -Projector- Website Content Group<br>
-Sports: badminton, basketball</p>

<p>Feel free to make ANY comments. Thanks you guys in advance!!!</p>

<p>Just so you know, Smith is SAT optional, so your scores shouldn't matter too much (but by all means raise them if you want to submit them). Looks like you have a fairly good chance, but I'm only a prospective student (also Fall 09), so I really don't know what I'm talking about. :-)</p>

<p>1 more note, I'm from a specialized high school in Vietnam- English specialized class!</p>

<p>Go ahead and apply! While no one can predict admissions decisions, you look like a qualified and interesting applicant. </p>

<p>As LaMariposaAzul mentioned, Smith no longer requires SAT or ACT scores. If you apply online, it's free. Nothing to lose!</p>

<p>And, Smith is wonderful. Here are some facts: <a href="http://www.smith.edu/collegerelations/SpeakingofSmith-0414.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.smith.edu/collegerelations/SpeakingofSmith-0414.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Are you seeking financial aid, ngocanh9a? And, if yes, would you need a lot or just a little (or in the middle)? The competition for international students seeking aid is far more cut-throat than it is for domestic students (US citizens and permanent residents) and for full-pay internationals.</p>

<p>You certainly look like you're in the running at Smith, based on the info you provide (though admission officials will see a lot more, including your specific courses and grades). However, if you will require $$$, then the bar will be set high and you will be "competing" with other Vietnamese applicants. So, if luck goes your way, you will be stronger than the other applicants from Vietnam, which will boost your admission odds.</p>

<p>Thank you guys a lot. The truth is, I need a lot of money. Paying for colleges in the U.S is quite a burden to my family. In fact, my family can contribute only $5k~6k per year. That's why I'm so worried about my chance to get admitted.
Moreover, I'm not a very outstanding student with many honor prizes or something. Just can make myself unique in my app essays.
Do you guys have any other advice for me in the app process?
Thanks,</p>

<p>Unfortunately, in many cases, a good essay isn't as important in international admissions as test scores and grades (and SATs are NOT optional at Smith for international applicants). If you have a unique life story to tell, then that will certainly help you. But ... if only the essay itself is unique, not the life story behind it, that won't make as big an impact in Smith's international pool as the "numbers" will. </p>

<p>If you need a lot of financial aid, you should certainly apply to Smith and other top-choice colleges. But it's also important that you apply to other colleges where your grades and SATs will be well above the norm for entering freshmen. </p>

<p>So, as you make your college choices, be sure to pick colleges that also offer aid to international students ... and there are many. To help you with your search, use the College Board's "Matchmaker" at College</a> MatchMaker - Type of School.</p>

<p>As you complete the questionnaire, under "Cost & Financial Aid," check the box that says, "Include colleges only if they offer financial aid for international students." Then, under "Admissions," play around with different options ... e.g., enter SAT scores that are well below your own; try checking different selectivity options such as "More than 75% accepted." When you hit "Results," you should generate a list of colleges that provide aid for international students and typically admit students less strong than you are. </p>

<p>Again, don't give up on the dream colleges; just be careful to give yourself a range of choices.</p>

<p>Agreed. A smart college applicant applies not just to their dream schools or the most prestigious schools, but also to schools where they are well above the norm for an incoming student. You are qualified, but even qualified students get turned down sometimes. And considering your financial aid needs, make sure you're spreading your applications around.</p>

<p>It seems that my chance to get in is tough right??? Do you think what SAT I score for international students is ok?
Besides my essays, what else you think i can do to hook my stat?</p>

<p>From the Smith Web site:</p>

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Are SAT or ACT scores required?</p>

<p>SAT I or ACT scores are optional for U.S. Citizens and U.S. permanent residents. SAT II subject tests are optional for any applicant. Whether required or optional, scores must come directly from the testing agency and will not be accepted from the high school transcript.

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<p>I know it's confusing. I saw at least one news item proclaiming Smith's new test-optional status with no mention of the requirement for non-citizens/permanent residents.</p>

<p>@Sally_Rubenstone: Thank you so much. I've just checked the Smith website and editted my post. You are so quick! ;)
It seems that my chance to get in is tough right??? Do you think what SAT I score for international students is ok?
Besides my essays, what else you think i can do to hook my stat?</p>

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<p>What's most unique about your background? (Family, socioeconomic, etc.)</p>

<p>SAT1: CR/M/WR: 540/710/580. As i said above. I NEVER expected to have that terrible score. I hope to score ~2000 in this Nov T____T haizzzzz.
Which SAT score is considered ok for international students?</p>

<p>My background is nothing special. However, i ask for some great recommendations: 2 from my teachers, 1 from my closest friend (she understands almost everything about me), 2 from my bosses (actually they are leaders in 2 projects i joined, and they are also 2 Vietnamese students studying abroad with HUGH scholarships :D).</p>

<p>Do you think recommendations can help me a little bit?</p>

<p>Thanks a lot!</p>

<p>An unpaid editorial: it's so great to see Sally posting here. Along with Jyber209, she was very instrumental along the way to my D choosing Smith and very supportive across the years after she did.</p>

<p>ngocanh9a--Those SAT I's (CR and Writing) do strike me as low for the cut-throat international pool but I'll look into it and let you know. Your SAT II's, however, are strong. So, stay tuned, and I'll see what I can find out.</p>

<p>TheDad--Thanks for your kind words. Your daughter could be a poster girl for women's colleges ... i.e., she took full advantage of what Smith offers but brought a lot to the community, too. Can't believe she's graduated already!</p>

<p>Thanks,Sally_Rubenstone! I heard from 1 SMith alumnae saying that Smith ED maybe a risk to students needing GREAT financial aid like me. Is it right? Can you tell me something about Smith ED? Do I have greater chance or not? Do i get more easily rejected when I apply under ED (with great financial need) than RD???
Pls let me know!</p>

<p>Sally, oddly enough, I think my D would say that she didn't take full advantage of Smith but that it would have been impossible to do so, if that makes any sense. Smith offers a literally overwhelming number of options, a menu of choices and life experience. Most colleges offer way more courses that you'd like to take than you can take, more extracurricular activities than you could ever do, etc. etc. etc. but Smith seems to just pile the options higher and higher.</p>

<p>And thank you for your kind words about D. I've always believed strongly in "fit" and for D Smith was about as perfect as you could get. Over my years at CC, I've modified my feelings about fit slightly in that I now accept that there are some students whom you could plug in at any one of a wide range of colleges and they'd have the same qualitative experience and hence you might as well shop by price. But in D's case, while the cost stings, it's the best money we and she (through her loans) ever spent; I hope that Smith feels pretty good about the FinAid they gave her too. :)</p>

<p>ngocanh9a--If Smith is your top choice, I suggest that you go ahead and apply ED. You might get in; you may be deferred; and you could even be denied outright. But all of those options will be beneficial in one way or another.</p>

<p>Obviously, if you're admitted, that's great news, and because of Smith's commitment to provide full need, presumably your financial requirements will be met.</p>

<p>If you are deferred, at least you will have sent a message to Smith that indicates that this school is your top choice, which might end up being a big plus when you are re-evaluated in the Regular Decision pool. It's certainly possible that, because your current SAT scores are somewhat low by Smith standards and because your financial need is high, the Smith admission officials may want to wait and evaluate your candidacy when they have the full range of applications from Vietnam in front of them. But, if there are several comparable candidates, the fact that you applied ED might end up being the tiebreaker that works in your favor. (No guarantees, but maybe).</p>

<p>Finally, if you are denied outright, it will be disappointing, but it will also give you some valuable perspective on this process. You will know that you need to aim for some less selective schools. If you find out in December that you are over-reaching, there's a silver lining to the cloud. By the time you get good news from other schools in the spring, you've moved on and are excited by the colleges that said, "Yes," rather than shedding tears over the one that said, "No thanks."</p>

<p>In the old days, financial aid applicants were often discouraged from applying ED, but that's not my own point of view. What I DO tell aid applicants, however, is that an ED application will not permit you to compare aid offers. You need to decide in advance how much your family can truly afford to pay for each year you are in college. Hopefully, this number will be fairly consistent with your aid award. As long as you recognize that it's an acceptable "package," although perhaps not necessarily the best one out there, then an ED application is a good idea, for the reasons I listed above. </p>

<p>It's a bit "old school" to discourage finaid candidates from applying ED, as long as these candidates realize that there are some added wrinkles that full-pay applicants don't have to face.</p>

<p>One more suggestion: contact the Smith admission office and ask if there is an alumna interviewer near you. You strike me as a bright, spunky young woman with strong English skills. If all of this comes across in person, an interview should work in your favor, if available.</p>

<p>Thank you so much, Mrs Sally_Rubenstone, your words of wisdom have encouraged me a lot and motivated me to apply ED. I'll try my best.
You suggest that I have an interview with a Smith alumna, so when do you think that should be?
Again, I really appreciate your help!</p>

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<p>As soon as possible. It will probably take a while to get the ball rolling. First you must contact the Smith admission office to find out if there is an alumna near you. Although there are Smith grads in many parts of the world who assist the admission office by conducting interviews, it's possible that there may not be anyone close to you. So your initial step is to find out. </p>

<p>Good luck and thanks for your thanks.</p>