<p>I would be interested in hearing what you think would be the better choice, depending on the academic quality and the job chances after graduation. </p>
<p>I definitely want to major in political science/government, and I definitely want to become a politician. Based on the fact that all presidents since 1972 come from Yale it seems to be a very good choice for political careers. But is it better than Harvard? Or doesn't it really make a difference?</p>
<p>Before I go into politics, I want to go into business and work at Morgan Stanley/Goldman Sachs or some other investment bank. What would there be the better choice? And do I have a chance to go there with a political science/government major?</p>
<p>Yale has a far better environment for political involvement, better chances of actually interacting with influential figures (see Master's teas), more solid political science program, and better support system for getting you that internship or job.</p>
<p>What about Morgan Stanley/Goldman Sachs? I know that they heavily recruit directly from the Harvard Campus, offer the Harvard students internships etc. Do you know if they also cooperate directly with Yale?</p>
<p>I know several people who've interned there, so I'd think so. There are a lot of I-bankers and "consultants" being churned out of here, unfortunately (<em>social science sniff</em>).</p>
<p>No, Reagan didn't go to Yale.. Can maybe some Harvard student say what he thinks which college is better in terms of political science/government and jobs at Morgan Stanley / Goldman Sachs? That would be great. I know that the reputation of the John F. Kennedy School of Government (Now Harvard Kennedy School of Government) is not the best, but isn't it a big advantage to go to Harvard if you intend to go into politics because of the HKSoG?</p>
<p>Hm, true, I guess so. But I think somewhere I heard that every president since 1982 went to Yale. Well, maybe I didn't remember it correctly. Anyway - 20 years is still a lot. And the next one might also come from Yale.</p>
<p>I agree to you, but can we maybe go back to my initial question whether Harvard or Yale is better for a career in politics and which of both colleges is better for a career at Morgan Stanley / Goldman Sachs? That would be great :)</p>
<p>Frankly, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. Going to work for an investment bank will depend on how well you do once you're in college, your work ethic, and your personality. And as for a career in politics, how about graduating from college first, and seeing where life takes you? Which Ivy League school you happened to go to (or really, which college at all) is irrelevant.</p>
<p>LOL: I agree booklady. Avrah is still waiting to hear which college he/she will attend. Making bold plans based on hearsay (e.g CC advice on "which is better") doesn't sound like much of a plan for political/career success afterwards.</p>
<p>Of course it depends on my personality, how well I'll do in college etc., but certainly my choice of college is an important factor. And of course it is going to make a difference where I go, because I will live in a different town, meet different people, have different professors... Actually, there are more differences than commonalities: I'm going to college and studying political science. That will be the commonalities. Differences? Everything else. So certainly it is going to make a difference. And especially for Goldman Sachs/ Morgan Stanley the choice of college is important. Since they cooperate with Harvard I was interested in knowing if this is the case with Yale as well. Please be so kind to tell me what is wrong with asking this question or why it has no significance whatsoever. </p>
<p>Also, of course I will see where life takes me, but I'm not going to college without a plan of what I want, graduate and then see what happens. I'm going there to help me get what I want, which is a career in politics. Maybe when I'm out of college I have a different aim, but just because aims can change doesn't mean that people shouldn't care about the aims they have now and just wait. Apart from that going to college is one of my aims, going to college is not an end in itself for me but a means to reach other aims. That's why I'm getting information before I make a decision, because I want to see which choice is the best to reach my other aims. </p>
<p>T26E4: Why are you criticizing me that I am asking a question about colleges in this forum? Are you kidding me? That's what this forum is made for. To ask questions about colleges. Naturally I don't make my decision solely based on what you say, but what people here have to say could be a useful piece of information and help me making my decision, especially if they have personal experience and go to Harvard/Yale. What's wrong with asking people that go to a college about their opinion about this college? If you don't like asking people questions about colleges and are obviously unable to answer questions of other people as well, why are you here? To criticize everyone? Doesn't sound like much of a plan for internet success afterwards :)</p>
<p>For what it's worth, Clinton went to Yale Law School, not Yale undergraduate, and never studied political science at Yale. Anybody know whether GW studied political science at Yale (and, if so, want to venture opinions about how much impact that had on his election to the presidency?)</p>
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<p>But no one knows which professors you'll have or whom you'll meet. We're talking about two of the finest universities in the country: Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley recruit regularly from both of them, as they do from many other colleges. Truly, there is no difference between Harvard and Yale in that respect, nor in the potential contacts you'd make that might be important to you in a political career.</p>
<p>At any rate, I'd wait until you have the luxury of choosing between them to figure all this out. ;)</p>
<p>I have to agree that you are overthinking this. There really is no difference between the two for either politics or investment banking. But this may be interesting reading, nevertheless:</p>
<p>There won't be any difference whatsoever as far as recruiting and Morgan Stanley internships. I believe 1 out of 5 Yale graduates do banking or consulting. That stat is probably similar at Harvard. It would probably be harder to get a job or internship if you went to a state school, but Harvard vs. Yale is a meaningless distinction in this regard.</p>
<p>However, the two schools do have different political styles, and I would contend that Yale's is far superior, with tons of famous guests and student debate through the Yale Political Union, plus the aforementioned Master's Teas, not to mention Law School events.</p>
<p>However, I have not heard great things about the Political Science classes as a whole here, though there are a few excellent professors. History seems to be a more popular choice.</p>
<p>I wouldn't worry about that though, since most people change their major (I am questioning whether to do Political Science here, and I was SURE I would choose that major only 3 months ago). Also, you can get into i-banking with most any major, but keep in mind that you will need to take a significant number of Econ classes to be competitive, and the best recruits are often Economics or Economics and Mathematics (that's one major at Yale). This will hold true at Harvard, too.</p>