<p>Pitt is still accepting applications.
So is ASU (in Phoenix).</p>
<p>The Univ of Cincinnati may still be accepting applications. I believe the school has a good co-op program.</p>
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Did both D and M try hard at all? A 1200/1600 SAT from "trying hard" from D? Many 7 or 8th graders could do better than that. How come M did not ask D to take it one more time?
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Laserbrother, the reason that the M did not ask the D to take the test again is that she is not the kind of test-obsessed jerk like you are. And since you have made it clear in another post that you have enough money in your checking account to write out a check for all 4 years' tuition at whatever college your daughter may choose, I certainly do not know why you continue to be such a harsh taskmaster on the testing issue. My daughter (who also had a 1200 SAT, after which I told her that I didn't think she should bother with a retake) was offered a $10K merit award from NEU, which was nice but did not meet need -- she never saw what NEU's need-based offer might have been, since she opted for Barnard instead -- but I don't think this issue is about test scores, I think it's about a gap at a school that does not meet full need of its applicants. </p>
<p>The girl in question does not need to be excoriated for her test scores -- she needs an affordable solution. Since you were so intent on spending down your checking account balance in the other thread you started, might I suggest a $12,000 gift to this family to help with the first year? (That is the amount you can give to a single person without incurring any taxes).</p>
<p>jmmom. That was my fault for saying "lucky to be admited" because I thought we were talking about Northwestern Univ. Then I read it again and found out it was about Northeastern. I know nothing and have never heard about NEU before this post. </p>
<p>May be it just me. I just don't understand why would anyone pay good money to study "history" in college. </p>
<p>I know I am be mean and harsh. But I say whatever as I see it.</p>
<p>Wow. You don't understand why anyone would study history in college? Maybe it's because they want to understand our world. Maybe because it's part of creating an educated person. Maybe because it's an excellent preparation for many professions, including law and international business or politics.</p>
<p>Calmom. name calling? I know I sound mean sometime but I never use that kind of language. </p>
<p>I don't really feel that much pity for someone fails to get anything unless it is out of reach for a good reason. two words - work harder.</p>
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A 1200/1600 SAT from "trying hard" from D? Many 7 or 8th graders could do better than that.
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<p>Are you familiar with the national norms? A 1200 is a pretty respectable score by many standards. If we assume that represents 600 in both math and verbal, that's the 74th and 79th percentile respectively. Moreover, according to Duke Talent Identification Program, a 7th grader scoring at that level would be in the 99th percentile. And those are norms based on very talented 7th graders taking the test. I don't see how that could add up to "many" students at that grade level doing better.</p>
<p>I see upon re-reading that you may be all pulling our legs. A 2350 is what you are aiming for to avoid this kind of situation with your daughter? You almost had me.</p>
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I say whatever as I see it.
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Perhaps. But I wonder that you can see much of anything at all, as your lenses always seem to be crowded with lots of tiny little numbers running from 0-1600 (or 2400 as the case may be). </p>
<p>Now perhaps the thread can return to productive suggestions for the OP.</p>
<p>jmmom,
I agree with you. Can we all ignore Laserbrother and try to help the OP?</p>
<p>Moonmaid--Many of the SUNY's may not be accepting anymore applications. What she can do is attend Oneonta since she has already been accepted there and then put in to transfer to New Paltz. If she has been "select" waitlisted for Geneseo, she can also hold on to that position and apply for a transfer there. :-)</p>
<p>Thanks for your responses. janesmom, I know that NP is accepting up until April 1, and accepts scholarship applications up until April 13. dstark, thanks for those names, I'll pass them on.</p>
<p>I've seen Laserbrother's posts on other threads, and I think he basically hasn't a clue, so really don't take his remarks seriously. I don't think he has much to add to the conversation.</p>
<p>What I did not add before is that this girl is from a family where neither Mom or Dad went to college, and they made the somewhat honest mistake of believing that grades and AP courses would count more than standardized testing scores. The girl comes from a small school as well. I'm sure if my friend had asked me for advice way back in the fall as to how her daughter could improve her chances for a merit award, I might have said retake the SATs, or try the ACTs as well. I agree that identifying a couple more urban schools early on might have been great, but this was an inexperienced mom doing the best she could, and I would never say anything like that to a close friend after the fact. She is already beating herself up about this. Hopefully the updated financials will do the trick for this family; if not, they are starting to regroup and look seriously at the other options. They've been working off of the Peterson's listing of school deadlines, and the school guidance counselor has told them of a few others not on that list that might be of interest.</p>
<p>Well, we are in a similar situation as the OP. D received a so-so package from choice #1 and a much more generous one from #2. We don't qualify for much need-based aid, and knew that going in. But, #2 offered her a merit scholarship worth twice as much as #1 school. She is much like the student mentioned in the original post - average SAT's, better ACT's, but excellent GPA and class rank with wonderful extra-curriculars and CS. We made sure that she knew that ultimately, the financial aid offers would "matter", and H and I are both in our early 50's and would like to retire before we are 70 - LOL! We kept reminding her that she could apply wherever she wanted, but the money did "count". Although willing to take out some parent loans and she some additional student loans, we don't want to bury ourselves either. We also took her to visit both schools three times so she could really get a feel for both schools. Right now, #2 is going to be in the ballpark of our state U cost-wise. I also have gone the route of contacting the FA office at #1, but truthfully, they have not been very helpful or seem to even want to look at our status again. I get the feeling that they can be like that because for many kids who go there, money doesn't seem to be an issue (oh, wouldn't that be nice!!) Of course, #1 is 2 1/2 hours closer to home, but oh well. The last little piece of the puzzle - she was deferred to regular decision at two other schools, so we should soon find out if yet another "monkey wrench" is thrown into the mix!</p>
<p>My fingers are crossed for this family, Moonmaid. There are so many minefields of lack of information in this whole college admissions thing. Who knew about financial aid gapping? I can well imagine that this family had no idea of the need to check each school for % of need filled. You are a gem to help and support them. I, too, am hoping that the review of their financial aid info will yield a good result.</p>
<p>Keep us posted.</p>
<p>jmmom, thanks for the good wishes and minefield is so right. I have learned a ton through this whole college admissions process,and I feel in a much better position to help my remaining two kids. Luckily, S#1 was a smart cookie, and being a writer and a former researcher, I was kind of relentless in identifying schools where he stood a chance with merit aid. We hit the jackpot with Tulane, in that he has a substantial merit offer and it's a great fit for him, and I feel very grateful for that. I also am so grateful for this board, in that I received some wonderful advice and picked up a lot of things I just did not know before. I don't think he would have received the offer he did had not one teriffic person PMd me with some tips about increasing a merit award.</p>
<p>But like so many others, his first choice - UC Berkeley - was a school I knew would not be possible for us financially, even if he got in. OOS costs are way high and there is very little FA offered to OOS students. I told him the bad news early on, go ahead and apply, but the likelihood of you attending is slim to none. So he had several months to get used to the fact that it probably would not be. In the meantime, he applied to and we visited several other more realistic choices, and he realized that there were other schools where he would also have a great college experience.</p>
<p>I'll definitely let you know the outcome of this one. I think they will end up fine, once they get over the initial shock and accept this is what it is, and it either gets better or we look elsewhere.</p>
<p>I go to the only other urban co-op school that I know of: Drexel. The school makes a big stink about its co-op programs but honestly, unless you are in one of the engineering/science fields it doesn't actually end up being such a huge benefit. You can get roughly the same benefit by getting summer jobs/internships like every other student in the country appears to be doing, many with help from their school as well. If I got to start over again, I certainly wouldn't want to pick a school based on just that.</p>
<p>Kind of ironic that my family didn't know much about the process either and they pretty much figured EFC was just an irrelevant number in the whole process and the school pretty much just gave you however much money it felt like giving you based on how badly it wanted you to go there...we sat around wondering if each school would give us any money at all and it would have never occurred to us that they were "supposed" to give us all the money between the yearly cost and the EFC. Probably could have done a lot better, but oh well, that's life I guess.</p>
<p>BlahdeBlah, I think your family really is closer to having it right. I pretty much did the same, knowing a LOT about financial aid the 2nd time around - but I think the lesson from the first time around was that EFC doesn't mean diddlysquat and that the school pretty much gives however much it feels like giving. My kids knew all along that money was the deciding factor -- I promised them the cost of the in-state public and everything else was dependent on financial aid. Both my kids had to turn down their #1 choice in favor of their #2 because of the financial aid; my son had a number of good choices -- my daughter got into a more impressive array of schools, but really had less choices, as there was only one private college that offered a workable award.</p>
<p>RIT has a co-op program but is not really in the city. My son visited Drexel and RIT and decided to apply to neither. Of course, every education major has an enforced internship...</p>
<p>I don't have any words of wisdom moodmaid but I have had similar frustrations with friends. It's hard to know just how much help to offer. You're a good friend to try and help them now.</p>