<p>let's say, hypothetically, one couldnt live without attending columbia...</p>
<p>is is possible to apply to CC and GS? </p>
<p>thanks</p>
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<p>i'm sure its possible but you wouldnt want to. the experience of gs is nothing like cc/seas. you dont live with other freshmen, you'd be looked at much differently if you meet people and they ask which school you're from....trust me, not worth it.</p>
<p>yeah. gs is definitely a lousy school.</p>
<p>you'd be better off circle jerking with the inferior youngins at the college that look down on the older, wiser, and smarter students at gs.</p>
<p>^-- he's old and wise, mind you, because he bounced around at 3 different schools before landing at GS.</p>
<p>also, it's not like ALL we do is circle jerking. sometimes we, you know, order pizza or something.</p>
<p>i'm not saying that GS is bad, let me get that out there first of all.</p>
<p>from the OP's post tho, it seems like he is the kind of student that visited columbia and fell in love with it. this is all well and good but suppose he then gets into GS and finds it is extremely different from what he expected and is then miserable. that just doesnt seem like a productive use of time. </p>
<p>if, however, the OP feels the GS experience is something that would keep him in love with columbia, then by all means he should apply.</p>
<p>it is, however, important to note the vast differences in financial aid, should that apply.</p>
<p>again, sorry if my first post came off as condescending, didn't mean it to be. I had a GS'er who had to have been pushing 60 in my advanced physics class this last semester and he definately was setting the curve. i have no disrespect for GS but you would be lying if you said there was no love lost between GS and cc/seas</p>
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<p>Definitely older, and on the whole, more mature, more disciplined, better study skills etc. But wiser and smarter? I would be hard-pressed to believe that either the best GS students are wiser/smarter than the best CC/SEAS students or that the average GS student is wiser/smarter than the average CC/SEAS student.</p>
<p>Denzera may have attained his degree through SEAS, but it still doesn't mean that he learned to count along the way. I actually went to two schools before Columbia, one comprising my entire senior year of high school. And please, don't circle jerk around that pie -- the pizza nearby is awful except for maybe Camille's.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, when people think GS, they tend to point to the either quiet <em>or</em> annoying 62 year old retiree in the back of 501 Schermy that's actually <em>auditing</em> the class. For the most part (and I stress, most part), it's difficult to visually tell GS students apart from the rest of the undergrads.</p>
<p>As a division, GS still holds the highest average GPA.</p>
<p>ok now its just kind of degenerating into a mild flame war on both sides...</p>
<p>my post in response to the OP was meant to keep him from what, i think (from the image i got of the OP in my head was), would be a bad decision for him/her. </p>
<p>there's no reason for this to morph into some mild bickering about who is or is not smarter.</p>
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<p>Do you have a source for this? I'm curious how close it is to the average CC GPA and whether there's been any correction for the fact that GS and CC take their own core classes. It's not surprising that SEAS has a lower average GPA than GS for the same reason that SEAS has a lower average GPA than CC.</p>
<p>higher gpa doesnt exactly mean smarter students....it may mean easier/more generous courses or ligher course loads which is true in this case.</p>
<p>CC students take more generous courses than SEAS and take less courses per semester.
GS students tend to take less courses per semester than CC students.</p>
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I don't. I've only heard it said within the GS office (and likewise, amongst students). On another board (I think xoxo), someone made a point similar to what was said earlier in this thread regarding maturity and better study skills, and in many cases, having been through the standard college pattern before. That much makes sense, as there's far less campus life tempting the GS students that tend to come solely for the academics.</p>
<p>As for the core, I can only speak for the GS LitHum section. That professor told us last year that we performed better than any class she'd had in the past. A small sample, maybe, but when you consider that GS students take LitHum/CC by choice, they're probably going to be more motivated to begin with.</p>
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higher gpa doesnt exactly mean smarter students....it may mean easier/more generous courses or ligher course loads which is true in this case.
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It also, and more likely, may not mean that. About half the GS students enroll as full time students (and this - I'm almost certain - is on the GS website). The other half may tend to families or outside jobs (or both), which can become troublesome for even just a small number of courses - especially for those that commute great distances.</p>
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GS students tend to take less courses per semester than CC students.
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That's only true for part time students. I usually take ~17 credits per semester. I know some in GS that take over 20.</p>
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Denzera may have attained his degree through SEAS, but it still doesn't mean that he learned to count along the way.
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Well sure, I was a math major, not accounting! I hadn't seen a real honest-to-god number in two years when I graduated. Symbols aplenty, but i'm lucky i can still do arithmetic.
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oh, you misread this thread considerably. WS is an old friend of mine (emphasis, apparently, on the 'old'). This BS between us passes for tongue-in-cheek banter.</p>
<p>If you want a thread about GS that reads more like a political talk show, there's some 190-post-long thread always floating about the first few pages of this board that will give you all the heated dialog about GS you want.</p>
<p>To the OP's point, I'd call GS and ask. I doubt anyone here has considered that notion before.</p>
<p>And don't forget the the admissions at Columbia GS is NOW identical to Columbia College, which requires a 3.7-4.0 GPA. Anything below that, good luck getting in. I took a very challenging academic workload and got a 3.5 GPA, and was rejected because of it. </p>
<p>That what they told me when I contacted them. They now require striaght "A" students for serious consideration. "B+" and under, forget it. </p>
<p>It's now that a student can't learn for the sake of learning anymore. Everything has to be perfect academically. It's so unfair when they don't take the level of difficulty into consideration for each of the classes that the student has taken and the grades behind it. </p>
<p>I am only refering to Columbia GS, which has become the new Columbia College for non-traditional students.</p>
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If you want a thread about GS that reads more like a political talk show, there's some 190-post-long thread always floating about the first few pages of this board that will give you all the heated dialog about GS you want.
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LET FRANKENTHREAD DIE.</p>
<p>hey guys thanks a lot for all your input on GS. It is correct that I am "one of those students" who visited columbia and fell in love with it, and went to the columbia summer program for HS students. I applied to CC and i think i have an ok shot, but obviously chances arent great for anyone. So anyway, I think I probably will apply to GS for no other reason than to have a ackup that i'd love to go to, (arguable not a back up)</p>
<p>again, thanks for the input.</p>
<p>one question: do GS students get on-campus housing if requested?</p>
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<p>No, it's not identical. The hardest part of getting into CC is the selectivity / randomness / crap shoot of the 8% acceptance rate, which is not similarly found in GS.</p>
<p>In the midst of all of this muck, I totally disregarded the OP's question. No, it is not possible to apply to both CC and GS at the same time. The last reason one should be applying to GS is as a "back up" in case CC doesn't work out. If rejected from CC, you must wait three full years before applying to GS. If you have no prior post-secondary academic and, more importantly, life experience, the chance of gaining admission to GS is extremely slim.</p>
<p>As for housing, my old(er!) friend used to go by "Housing Czar" on campus and in the school press (hey ladies -- the paper once did a full profile on him!), but I'll answer based on the little I do know having lived exclusively off-campus. GS students get limited access to a set aside number of units in University Apartment Housing (UAH), the same department that handles the limited graduate housing stock available. Getting housing this way is no sure bet, and I believe the wait list for GS students is already a few hundred names long. On the plus side, you won't have to swipe into your apartment. However, you also won't have any access to any of the CC/SEAS dorms under University Housing Services without being signed in.</p>