<p>Actually, you’d better check on that. I’m pretty sure Michgan changed to EA and I remember asking the guy at Yale specifically about Michigan. He said only if it’s an instate public. Maybe I misinterpreted.</p>
<p>My 2 cents.</p>
<p>Princeton and Harvard will admit somewhere between 1200-1400 early in total. So it is not possible for that to have any type of reduction in RD/final application levels to the popular schools. </p>
<p>OTOH - if Harvard and Princeton take out 10,000 applications for SCEA, all other numbers for SCEA and ED will drop to the rest of the schools. Yale and Stanford will definitely be impacted since most people applied to one or the other because Harvard and Princeton were not available as part of HYPS. The open EA numbers for MIT, Caltech and Chicago may take a bit of a hit as will the EDs to the rest of the ivies.</p>
<p>My older son applied to Harvard back the last year they had SCEA. His interviewer asked him why he hadn’t applied SCEA, and he replied because it wasn’t his first choice. They accepted him anyway. I’m not seeing it make a big difference. Those who want the Harvard name were going to apply either way. I think many will still be using Chicago as a safety schools while others like my younger son will be thrilled that Chicago will accept them even though they thought it was a real stretch.</p>
<p>But anytime you get into a school early it is an opportunity to cull the list. My younger son cut two schools that he was sure he’d like less well than Chicago.</p>
<p>Of course for kids who get accepted at Harvard or Princeton there’s a much bigger likelihood that they’ll do major list trimming.</p>
<p>People only apply SCEA if it’s their first choice, that’s why the interviewer asked the question. Just because it is not someone’s first choice, doesn’t mean he/she wouldn’t be admitted, or Yale/Stanford wouldn’t have RD.</p>
<p>Georgetown is not Single Choice EA. GU, like BC, is restricted EA. What that means is a student can apply to as many EA schools as they desire, including GU and BC, but they cannot apply ED somewhere else and EA to GU/BC.</p>
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<p>Why should ED to other Ivies be affected in any material way unless folks think that SCEA is a (big?) boost to their app?</p>
<p>@bluebayou, My college councilor told me that yes, Georgetown and BC are restricted EA, meaning that they can apply to other EA’s as long as they don’t apply early decision but they can only apply to certain schools. Meaning if you want to apply EA to Boston College or Georgetown, you can do so but only with the exceptiont that any other Early Action school you applied to was a Jesuit School. So you can apply EA to BC, Gerogetown, Loyola, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc. But you can’t apply EA to say Harvard, Princeton and Boston College.</p>
<p>BB - I am looking at the top schools and there are not a lot of applicants doing EA and ED. EA (Yale, Stanford, MIT, Chicago) - 24,662 with 13,500 going to Chicago and MIT which means only 11k applied to Yale and Stanford. ED (Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, Duke) at 18,000. I do expect to see Harvard and Princeton receiving 10-12k applications but I can’t envision that many coming from new applicants or only a combination of brand new + people leaving the other EA pool. Only logical explanation would be that every school will lose applicants to make up the difference but it is a question of how many.</p>
<p>One factor that may change all that and oldfort has alluded to that - people are considering drastically different alternatives, such as doing ED at a school and taking the fall early. It did look like people who did EA/ED were good applicants, fared well this year. The RD has nt been kind to a lot of schools this year compared to last, especially with the ivies.</p>
<p>Mea culpa, CRD, mea maxima culpa. UMich has changed from rolling to EA (although the 12/23 notification date is substantially later than most EA schools which are usually 12/15). It also doesn’t seem that different from their old rolling admissions schedule, but it is now clearly called Early Action. When my son applied SCEA to Yale three years ago, Yale specifically said that applying to rolling admissions at any state school was okay. Georgetown’s restricted EA is simply that you cannot apply EA to Georgetown and ED to another school. There appears to be no limitation based on whether the other school is Jesuit or not (so presumably UChicago is okay).</p>
<p>I think that the group that Harvard and Princeton are aiming for are the students applying to Yale and Stanford SCEA (and perhaps MIT for some specialized students). Now those tippy-top students have to decide where they want to put their SCEA applications in. Before, the students who believed that they wanted to go to Harvard or Princeton lost nothing by applying SCEA to Yale or Stanford (or EA to MIT). If that group perceives that there may be an acceptance advantage to apply SCEA to Harvard or Princeton (assuming that Harvard or Princeton would be their #1 choice), then necessarily Yale, Stanford and MIT will get few EA/SCEA applications. Additionally, for those students who were not interested in Yale or Stanford, some applied EA to Georgetown or Chicago (as presumably “match schools” for that cohort) and therefore Georgetown and Chicago will also likely loose EA applications.</p>
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<p>Huh??? Absolutely WRONG. I hope you aren’t attending a private school and paying top dollar for that kind of baaaad GC advice. An EA applicant to BC and/or Georgetown can also apply EA to MIT and Michigan, for example, or any other EA school. If you don’t believe me, call BC or GU and ask them. Or better yet, google their website where they clearly explain what their restrictions are. (Note, it is Yale’s SCEA requirements that precludes an EA app to BC/GU, not the other way around.)</p>
<p>sry, Tex, I don’t understand your math. </p>
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<p>I would hope not, since Yale’s & Stanford’s SCEA precludes ED anywhere. And MIT is a special case – not a whole lot of overlap with Yale, for example. </p>
<p>Of course, that is the point I’ve been trying to make all along. The change to SCEA by H&Y will have minimal impact in the big picture.</p>
<p>Urm1216 – no, no, no! We looked into Gtown EA this past round. If you EA Gtown, you can EA elsewhere, but you cannot ED elsewhere. The Jesuit status of a school has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>The Jesuit defifnetly has something to do with it. Maybe not for other schools but deffinetly for BC. He might have said that if you did EA to BC you could only do it if your ED was to another Jesuit school.</p>
<p>BB - I am assuming Harvard and Princeton will get 10-12,000 applicants.</p>
<p>If the current pool of competition only has 24,000 for Yale, Stanford, MIT and Chicago have only 24,000, do you see 10-12,000 breaking away from those 4 schools to apply to two new schools?</p>
<p>The current early pool for those four schools probably has fewer than 24,000 total. One CAN apply early to both MIT and Chicago, and a number of people do that. On the other hand, the second-choice-to-Princeton-or-Harvard market probably includes a bunch of other EA colleges, including CalTech, Georgetown, Notre Dame, BC, Tulane, Michigan, and UVa. It’s not crazy to think that there are 20,000 kids out there in any year who are convinced that they are strong candidates for HYPS SCEA and who will choose to apply to one of them. So that would mean 6-8,000 fewer kids submitting 1-4 EA applications to the usual suspect EA schools, and 2-4,000 shifting from YS to HP.</p>
<p>I see a lot of common applicants between Caltech, MIT, Chicago but Caltech pool is usually quite small. Since Notre Dame and Georgetown are open EA too, it is quite possible they overlap with MIT and Chicago. Since HPYSMCC are all top ten schools, why would nt some of the people applying ED also break away and why does it have to be limited to the EA pool where a bunch of them break away from open EA to apply to HP?</p>
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I’m in the group that thinks the impact will mostly be on Yale and Stanford. I think students whose first choice was Harvard or Princeton are highly likely to have applied SCEA to Yale or Stanford, and not ED anywhere. Well, I guess MIT might be affected as well, but I just doubt if it will be all that much.</p>
<p>But I wouldn’t be surprised if SCEA apps to Yale and Stanford go up, as some students think that it may be easier without all those H and P hopefuls!</p>
<p>So we’re all in agreement we have no earthly idea what the impact will be…</p>
<p>^^That’s when we resort to horoscopes since all the logic in the world doesn’t produce an answer…</p>
<p>May be we should start a pool on CC for predictions!</p>
<p>Is it worthwhile to start a thread in August asking people to self declare their intention of EA choices?</p>
<p>I think the real impact will depend on the boost or PERCEIVED boost applying SCEA to H and P gives the applicant. I have a child who will be applying to schools this fall. She is debating exactly that question. Does it really help? If she decides that it does not, she will use her early silver bullet elsewhere, although not an ED one.</p>
<p>Rightly or wrongly, legacies at all these schools will fear that their legacy status will help less if they wait until RD, and so will apply SCEA. I suspect Y and S legacies were already doing this, so the impact will be on H and P legacies.</p>