You college has the final say. Please consult your advisor to see if you were awarded calc credit.
If your college has given you credit for calc 1 based upon your HS coursework, then no, you don’t. (However, you may want to retake calc if your skills are rusty or weak so that you can perform better in classes that require a strong working knowledge of calc.) If your college did not give you credit based upon your HS coursework, then you must retake calc to fulfill graduation/major requirements
As for med schools, if you can produce a college transcript (from the CC if you were dual enrolled), then no, you don’t need to retake calc.
Med school will take any pre-req courses with a C or better. But the application process is very competitive. You just do not want to show any weakness in your application, especially in the pre-req area. If they want one year math and you have a C in Calc from a community college, that is not a good sign, a sign of weakness. You need to get an A in a higher level math in a 4 year college that will demonstrate that you can handle what is required. Bio-stat will fill the roll.
So Med Schools require your high school transcript if you take AP Bio but didn’t use that AP Bio class to fulfill your requirement at your undergrad college? Or if you take a dual enrollment Bio I course and don’t transfer it to your college? Assuming you take College Biology I at your undergrad college?
@suzyQ7 You don’t have to give HS transcript to med school (irrespective of if you used AP course to fulfill a UG req or not). But if you have mentioned AP courses in the app to UG admission and given the AP official score to UG, then UG transcript will have the UG equivalent course names, credit hours but will not have any grade.
For dual enrollment, technically you have to inform UG college during admission (if there were any HS courses which had dual enrollment with local CC or you have done regular college level courses during summer breaks during HS) and should have given the CC or local college transcript to UG college. But these courses will be listed in UG transcript with an equivalent courses, credit hours with grade and will be used in the GPA calculation.
If I am not mistaken, med school admission expects to get the transcript from every college you attended (regular UG college, CC or any local college attended during breaks etc), even though regular UG college transcript has already the details of the other college courses, credits and grade.
Medical schools will never ask for your high school transcripts.
You can only use AP credits to fulfill medical school admission requirements if you reported your AP scores to your college AND your college granted your college credit for a specific course. (IOW, your college gave you 4 credits for Bio 101, not 4 credits in biology.) AP credits are never used to compute your GPA/sGPA for medical school admission purposes.
If you took any dual enrollment classes in high schools, you must report the classes AND send the transcript for those classes to AMCAS/TMDSAS/AACOMAS when you apply for medical school. It doesn’t matter whether you have informed your college of the course or not, or if you received college credit for the class from your undergrad.
The med school application processors (AMCAS, TMDSAS and AACOMAS) use a national student enrollment database to check where you have earned college credits. If you took Bio 1 as dual enrolled student–that information will show up when AMCAS/TMDSAS/AACOMAS checks the database. Failure to report the class and send transcripts will result in your medical school application being pulled out of the verification/processing queue until the discrepancy is resolved and the appropriate CC/dual enrollment transcripts have been received.
Dual enrollment credits will be used to calculate your GPA and sGPA for medical school admission purposes.
This is complicated by the fact this specific ‘de’ class was not considered transferrable (ie., Not college equivalent) by op’s college. In many cases, like College In The Schools or local agreements, the DE class is taught at the high school, by high school teachers, for high school students. Sometimes it’s just the way the AP class is labelled for kids who don’t want to take the AP exam.
My recommendation would be to take/retake it. Med schools may not count the repeat but since it doesn’t appear on your college transcript,only counted toward HS graduation, they may also consider that first calculus class as a HS class, not a college class. If you retake and they don’t count it, you’ve not lost anything, whereas if med schools don’t count your HS class because it wasn’t accepted as a transferrable class by your college then you’re stuck with one missing requirement.
I was told you dont need math for pre-med but Ive been hearing for a while that you do so I’m confused. At this point what math should I take? Is that true?
It was not dual enrollement in that I did not take classes at a CC or another university. It was just all in highschool with mostly our high school teachers teaching the classes. Wasnt called DE. To clarify.
Yes, you need math for med school. At the very least you need a semester of statistics or biostatistics. Stats is required by many med schools AND stats is tested on the MCAT.
And some medical schools still do require a full year of college level mathematics (2 semesters or 3 trimesters). Johns Hopkins, for example.
You also need to look at what (If any) math classes your major requires for graduation. That information should be listed in your college’s handbook AND on the departmental webpage for your major. Or you could ask your assigned advisor.
Since you have no DE credits and your coursework in HS was all unofficial–go head and take pre-calc if you’re not confident in your math skills. Once you feel you’ve mastered that, then move on to any other math classes required for your degree or to fulfill pre-med requirements.
You need to take actual college classes in calculus and biostatistics. If you’re not confident in your math skills, take precalculus before you take calculus, or take a “Calculus with precalculus review” class if your college offers it.
So here’s the thing. These were college-level and college-credit classes in my high school. I have a highschool transcript and a college transcript from graduating high school. Therefore, I have two separate transcripts from HS, one with all my college classes taken in HS, and not including my current college transcript (that’s separate). They were official college classes, but what do you mean, sorry? I took college level Calculus and Statistics that gave me college credit, among other classes. They did not transfer, but med schools will see my college transcript from HS.
The transcripts even look different.
That is why really in the first place, I asked if I should take Calculus. A lot of people said it does not look good to retake.
Should I take Calc and Stats again? Should I not “retake”? Should I take bio stats instead? My main concern is, how does it look to Med schools/grad schools?
I think a school like Harvard requires Calculus correct? I read that, but, do other med schools require calc?
One more thing, my college has Calc + lab but my high school college Calc did not have lab. Thank you!
Ok, is your HS from outside of US? And who issue the separate transcript for your “college” credit? Your HS or a school with “College” in its name? Would that equivalent to AP Classes?
It would help others understand the situation better if you name:
a. The college you took courses from while in high school, and what specific calculus and statistics courses you took.
b. The college you are at now, and what specific calculus and statistics courses you may want to take.
^She said it was taught in high school to high school students, so the HS called it “DE” but it’s not dual enrollment. I doubt the transcript was issued by a college.
“college-level” does not mean “college”. AP classes don’t count for med schools for instance.
Anyway, the issue is that even if med schools don’t like “retakes” (and there’s no evidence this would be considered a retake) the grade she got in HS means she isn’t viable for med schools anyway, so she should retake to have a shot.
@MYOS1634 & All: If ‘DE’ most likely it will show up in CC transcript.
This is what happened in my D case. She did Spanish for 5 years in HS (7,8,9,10 and 11 grade was Spanish-AP).
During HS, one of her Arts class could not be squeezed and hence she did it at the local Community College (CC) since school district allowed that CC college course to fulfill the requirement.
During college admission, when we got the CC transcript (which we submitted to all colleges), we discovered that there are 2 Spanish courses of that CC listed in her CC transcript for 5 credits each (in addition to the Arts course). Later found out her school district and that CC have an agreement as Dual Enrollment. Though she went only to HS class.
Now in her UG college transcript that morphed in to 4 courses 2 of SPAN1999 of 2 credits (1999 is normally used as a placeholder and not against any specific course of that college) 2 courses of SPANxxxx of credits 3 against that college’s specific Spanish department courses. Also Spanish AP is listed in her college transcript (of course it will not have grade since AP).
^OP had already indicated the class was not taken at a CC and did not transfer college credit. In that sense, she wouldn’t be “retaking” the class, which she needs to take and master since she got a C in high school when she attempted it.
It does not matter if OP’s current college accepts the “college” credit as transfer or not, if the credit OP earned is from a “college” not a HS AP class that equivalent to “college”, the former is going to be accounted for a “C” at AMCAS as her BCMP credits. Should that be true, it is unwise to retake the course, rather OP should take a HIGHER level course to compensate/repair that C, which might dig a bigger hole as OP has not mastered the Calculus. It depends on the med school, but I think a biostat may cover that hole, if OP is trying to avoid Calc.
If a course was called “dual enrollment”, it presumably generated a college record and grade at some college, even if it was only marginally a college course (like the ones taught by high school teachers at the high school to high school students). So it is not like it can be ignored later on for the purpose of medical school applications.
Also, even if the current college will not give credit for it, there is still the question of placement. Yes, if the OP passed that dual enrollment course with a C grade, taking the next higher course could be a struggle (particularly to earn a pre-med-acceptable grade of A), but repeating the course would look bad to a medical school application reader.