Pregnancy in college?

Student Lounge College Life
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Is the pro-choice (no matter what, I'm pro-choice in some circumstances only) argument really so frail that you have to stoop to dehumanizing the baby?

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I never expressed any opinions regarding the baby.</p>

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Baby, fetus, whatever. You can argue semantics all you want.

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I will, because a small difference in semantics makes a big difference in meaning. I don't think that a baby should be killed.</p>

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What if your mother had found out she was pregnant and decided she either wasn't ready to be a parent or didn't want another baby?

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Then I wouldn't be here now, would I? So that argument is completely irrelevant and is a typical attempt to make this debate personal, which I'm not going to fall for.</p>

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That "parasite" deserves a chance to live just as much as you do.

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That "chance to live" is a privilege granted by the mother. No one "deserves" it. Just like how being raised by your parents is a gift, and not something that you should take for granted.</p>

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I would never look down on a woman who aborted a baby because she was raped or knew that carrying to term could kill her.</p>

<p>But would you rather carry it for 9 months and then never have to see it again if you didn't want to

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As I already said, if possible, the baby should be saved by placing it in an incubator.</p>

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or spend the rest of your LIFE knowing that you killed something that could have had a wonderful, productive life?

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And what makes you think that child in a foster home is going to have a wonderful, productive life? Growing up in that environment is very harmful to the children.</p>

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That's right, they're horrible people for wanting to help children living in the American adoptive system.

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I never passed any moral judgment on them; I only stated that their lack of knowledge could have modified their views on the topic.</p>

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But would you rather carry it for 9 months and then never have to see it again if you didn't want to, or spend the rest of your LIFE knowing that you killed something that could have had a wonderful, productive life?

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<p>I don't know how you live with yourself. Why aren't you pregnant right now? There is an egg sitting in you right now that wants to a wonderful, productive life, but you won't let it. For shame.</p>

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<p>"But would you rather carry it for 9 months and then never have to see it again if you didn't want to, or spend the rest of your LIFE knowing that you killed something that could have had a wonderful, productive life?"</p>

<p>I probably would go on living my life and pursuing my dreams without ever thinking of the fetus again, but maybe that's just me.</p>

<p>"I would never look down on a woman who aborted a baby because she was raped or knew that carrying to term could kill her."</p>

<p>So you WOULD look down on a woman who had regrettable sex and then aborted the fetus? COoOoOol.</p>

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<p>I wouldn't necessarily look down on her, but it might change my opinion of her judgment skills just a bit.</p>

<p>It saddens me deeply how acceptable it is in our society to use any means of getting out of accepting responsibility for one's actions.</p>

<p>If I got pregnant, you'd better believe I would keep that baby. It's nothing to do with whether or not it's murder. It's all to do with whether or not you can own up to your "mistakes" and accept responsibility for your actions. If you're "Mature" enough to have sex, you had damn well better be "mature" enough to handle a pregnancy should it occur.</p>

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<p>If all people were required to keep the results of their sexual actions, sex would become an activity only for the rich. It costs a lot of money to keep a baby or pop one out and give it up for adoption. It also means taking a maternity leave from work, which not many people can afford in today's economy. This would deny poor people of the basic human function of sexual intercourse.</p>

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<p>Basic human function?</p>

<p>Please.</p>

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If you're "Mature" enough to have sex, you had damn well better be "mature" enough to handle a pregnancy should it occur.

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I personally think it's very mature to consider abortion (except in the case of having 3+. I will always think there's something wrong with that) considering it's very difficult to make that choice.
Either way can be 'mature.' It's the reasoning behind your actions that makes an action so- not the actual action.</p>

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If I got pregnant, you'd better believe I would keep that baby. It's nothing to do with whether or not it's murder. It's all to do with whether or not you can own up to your "mistakes" and accept responsibility for your actions.

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I don't see how keeping the baby is accepting responsibility. All you're doing is putting yourself through a lot of misery, which will somehow make you feel better about what you did.</p>

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If you're "Mature" enough to have sex, you had damn well better be "mature" enough to handle a pregnancy should it occur.

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And that's a problem with modern society. Humans go through puberty during their teens because they have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be fit for a more primitive lifestyle. Since the life expectancy and infant mortality were much lower in that lifestyle, it was necessary to have children often and beginning at an early age. Chances are that one could constantly have children without any issues, because raising them was not as tedious back then, since it did not take long to train them to help with one's job, compared to more than a decade of education that is necessary now for even the most basic of jobs. Also, many children would die at an early age back then, so it wasn't like you actually had a child every time you got pregnant, even though the child would be born. Consider it a form of natural abortion.</p>

<p>This society, however, generally does not permit for people to be successful in life if they have a child early on. Moreover, a child that is born when the parents are that young has a severely reduced chance of success in life, whether it be because the parents aren't capable of taking care of the child or because foster care is not effective at raising children.</p>

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Basic human function?</p>

<p>Please.

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It most definitely is a basic human function. In fact, reproduction is one of the fundamental characteristics of life.</p>

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<p>I have to agree with His Grace. Abortion in itself is termination of life, which is the definition of murder. If a woman decides to have unsafe sex, then she must live with the usual result: a child. No one is saying that she must keep that child, but there are thousands of adoption agencies in the US that have couples and individuals hoping for a child because more and more women are waiting later on in life (late thirties and early forties) to have children., which as you know makes it harder to conceive. Many of these couples are willing to pay for all the medical expenses involved in pregnancy and delivery, so that they can have their bundle of joy.</p>

<p>Ending abortion will in no way limit poor people to the "basic human function" because as I mentioned, they will be compensated (in most cases). The millions of potential infans killed in abortions will be saved and live comfortably in loving homes.</p>

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is termination of life, which is the definition of murder.

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No, it is not. Murder is simply UNLAWFUL killing.</p>

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It most definitely is a basic human function. In fact, reproduction is one of the fundamental characteristics of life.

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<p>If you can survive with out it, it's definitely not a "fundamental characteristic of life".</p>

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Abortion in itself is termination of life, which is the definition of murder.

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It's not termination of life when the organism has not been born yet.</p>

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If a woman decides to have unsafe sex, then she must live with the usual result: a child.

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Says you. Why should she have to if she doesn't want to and there is a way out?</p>

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there are thousands of adoption agencies in the US that have couples and individuals hoping for a child

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There are not nearly as many people willing to adopt as there are children who are waiting to be adopted. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of paperwork that adoption requires.</p>

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more and more women are waiting later on in life (late thirties and early forties) to have children., which as you know makes it harder to conceive.

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That's completely absurd, seeing as the</a> average age of menopause in the Western world is 51 years. Besides, I seriously doubt anyone who wants to and can have a child is going to risk postponing it so much that they have to end up adopting.</p>

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Many of these couples are willing to pay for all the medical expenses involved in pregnancy and delivery, so that they can have their bundle of joy.

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The inconveniency of pregnancy cannot be eliminated by throwing money at it.</p>

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Ending abortion will in no way limit poor people to the "basic human function" because as I mentioned, they will be compensated (in most cases).

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Money isn't a universal form of compensation.</p>

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The millions of potential infans killed in abortions will be saved and live comfortably in loving homes.

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Do you really think that every infant that isn't wanted by its parents gets a chance to "live comfortably in loving homes"? Have you ever seen a group home? It's definitely not a place I would want to grow up.</p>

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If you can survive with out it, it's definitely not a "fundamental characteristic of life".

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Try</a> again.</p>

<p>Without reproduction, life would not persist.</p>

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<p>If you really want someone to believe your argument, look somewhere other than Wikipedia, dude. Seriously. that's like the least credible source in the world.</p>

<p>And with all the forms of IVF they have nowadays, reproduction by intercourse will soon be obsolete.</p>

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<p>I'll back up srunni on that:
Definition</a> of life
The</a> Characteristics of Life
The</a> 7 Characteristics of Life</p>

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And with all the forms of IVF they have nowadays, reproduction by intercourse will soon be obsolete.

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<p>Not on my watch</p>

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<p>There are tons of kids waiting to be adopted. The problem is that couples want a beautiful little BABY and are unwilling to accept a 6-17 year old. There is a demand for BABIES, not KIDS.</p>

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If you really want someone to believe your argument, look somewhere other than Wikipedia, dude. Seriously. that's like the least credible source in the world.

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As they would say on Wikipedia, [citation needed]. And I'll provide</a> you with one that proves you're wrong:

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Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that relies on volunteers to pen nearly 4 million articles, is about as accurate in covering scientific topics as Encyclopedia Britannica, the journal Nature wrote in an online article published Wednesday.

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<p>Seeing as the 'Life' article is science-related, I'd say that it's probably just as accurate as the article that you'd find in a paper encyclopedia, and most definitely more up-to-date. Besides, I simply used Wikipedia as my reference for that fact; I actually learned that reproduction is one of the fundamental characteristics of life in a biology class.</p>

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<p>You know what?</p>

<p>You guys can keep your frail and shallow arguments and regard for no one but yourselves. I'm done.</p>

<p>It disgusts me the lengths to which you will all go to get out of a possibly difficult, but rewarding (although it's rewarding to someone else, so why the hell should you care?) situation.</p>

<p>Peace out.</p>

<p>PS. I'm sure someone will soon bring up the "I guess His grace didn't fill you after all" argument. Go ahead...I could care less.</p>

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<p>^wow, somebody sure is mad over a topic that nobody will ever agree on. It's the arguement that never ends and there is no point in getting mad about it.</p>

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You guys can keep your frail and shallow arguments

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If my arguments are so frail and shallow, then you would've told me how, rather than getting emotional about this.</p>

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regard for no one but yourselves.

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The people that have no regard for anyone but themselves are those who, as OKgirl said, want to adopt because they just want a baby that will look cute and give them unconditional love (or so they think). Some of those in most need of adoption are kids in this very country. But people don't want them.</p>