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Well some aren't tacky, but the ones that say "I'm a virgin-TLW" on the front and then "Don't touch me, tease me, kiss me or please me" on the back are a little outlandish. Yeah, they sell this at Wal-mart in the True Love Waits aisle.
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<p>I wish all girls who are waiting for marriage would wear those. That way, I wouldn't be wasting any time on them. Fact is, until the baby can survive on its own (relatively speaking), it is not "alive" to say. I don't think you can really stand on your pro-life opinion unless you apply it in all aspects of your life. How is killing animals okay then? We eat meat and kill bugs all the time.</p>
<p>1.) i think it's important to ackowledge the fact that anti-choicers will try to impose their personal (and generally religious) morals on others without cease, which pro-choice people are FINE with people being against abortion, they just don't want to force anyone in either direction. this issue is NOT about murder, the philosophy of conception, or poverty--it's about having a CHOICE.</p>
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If you can survive with out it, it's definitely not a "fundamental characteristic of life".
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i just don't think i could survive without it..daily ;)</p>
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If you can survive with out it, it's definitely not a "fundamental characteristic of life".
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<p>Have a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I believe the 3rd pyramid step is Belonging. This includes friendship as well as sexual intimacy. I imagine that life without any form of sexual interaction would have psychological as well as physical effects. Trust me... I got a 5 on AP Psych... hahaha :-)</p>
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Are you a vegetarian? Because killing animals for meat is basically the same thing as abortion. It's not human, but it's not a "necessary" killing.
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Fruits and veggies are living things, too... :/</p>
<p>i think she beta go 4 adoption or if her parents are cool wit her,why doesn't she does keep the baby and i tell u before she does another one, she will think twice</p>
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i think it's important to ackowledge the fact that anti-choicers will try to impose their personal (and generally religious) morals on others without cease, which pro-choice people are FINE with people being against abortion, they just don't want to force anyone in either direction
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Says you...</p>
<p>If I read through these 14 pages, might as well I start reading college text right now. Yawn.
Well, I think I am pro-choice, but I am never voice out my opinion so vocally /negatively as some pro-lifers since I can understand the views of pro-lifers. Not that I agree with them, but I can see from their side.</p>
<p>However, I don't think feel some of the vocal pro-lifers cannot understand how critical some situations are on the other side of the camp.
I never talk this sort of stuff down here esp I didn't want to get kicked out by the mods. But here goes.
There was this small news I read somewhere couple days ago in the International news section. I think it was one of those Eastern European countries, forget the place. In that country, abortion is outlawed. But a young girl, a 11 year old got raped by her relative and got pregnant. Her family had to go to court and go through a nasty battle with the pro-lifers and powers that be for permission to get abortion. Finally, she got the permission now. But her parents fear her safety because of the negativity in her place towards her planned abortion and they have fled to London to get it.</p>
<p>It was a sad piece. She is just a child.</p>
<p>"If you really want someone to believe your argument, look somewhere other than Wikipedia, dude. Seriously. that's like the least credible source in the world."</p>
<p>Is Conservapedia more your cup of tea?</p>
<p>Main</a> Page - Conservapedia look up abortion on there...or islam...hahah</p>
<p>I like how they say that Planned Parenthood "targets" minorities in inner-city neighborhoods. So funny to hear a conservative site suddenly caring about the status of minorities. Maybe the reason why these inner-city people seek abortions in high numbers is because they cannot afford the Pill or aren't educated about condom use?</p>
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this issue is NOT about murder, the philosophy of conception, or poverty--it's about having a CHOICE.
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<p>Weak argument, </p>
<p>I am so sick of not having the choice whether I want to kill my parents or not, I think I should be able to choose because I'm free and "I do what I wan'</p>
<p>I find it funny how people argue and argue, and no one's mind will ever change, BOTH sides just try to make themselves look better, most pro-life act like they are better because they have morals, and most pro-choice think they are high and mighty and impose their beliefs on people just as much as any religious person.</p>
<p>If you don't eat for a few days and only drink red tea you will miscarry. Urban legend or fact?</p>
<p>you could also take RU486 or misoprostol :-)</p>
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I am so sick of not having the choice whether I want to kill my parents or not, I think I should be able to choose because I'm free and "I do what I wan'
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That's an inherently flawed extrapolation of abortion, as I've already explained.</p>
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I find it funny how people argue and argue, and no one's mind will ever change, BOTH sides just try to make themselves look better, most pro-life act like they are better because they have morals, and most pro-choice think they are high and mighty and impose their beliefs on people just as much as any religious person.
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The whole idea behind being "pro-choice" is that the individual gets to pick. Being pro-choice does not equal being pro-abortion.</p>
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The whole idea behind being "pro-choice" is that the individual gets to pick. Being pro-choice does not equal being pro-abortion.
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<p>THANK YOU.</p>
<p>I think most of us agree that this issue isn't black and white but some of these arguments sounds like pretty bad rationalizations to terminate a life. If the fetus is a life, all those arguments of how much easier a person's life will be with an abortion are irrelevant.</p>
<p>Ok some of you say that a fetus is technically not a life because it hasn't been born yet but I have a problem with this definition. In my opinion a lot of definitions leave something important out because of the necessity of being discrete. But in cases like these definitions do a poor job and serve a very poor use. It's like whenever I hear on TV people saying that we aren't technically in a recession if haven't had 2 quarters of negative growth. Well these people are being too stuck on the definitions. What we know for sure is that we are having a huge economic slowdown so what does it matter if we are really technically in a recession or not. People are hurting whether or not we have crossed this arbitrary threshold of 2 quarters of negative growth and that is what really matters.</p>
<p>In the case of abortions, ok so what if the fetus hasn't been born yet. Being stuck on the technicalities and relying on this simplistic definition ignores the characteristics of life that are there. How does one day before and after birth change everything?</p>
<p>So in that sense all the arguments outlining the burdens of a child sound ridiculous. Are people with cancer just left to die because taking care of them is inconvenient?</p>
<p>"How does one day before and after birth change everything?"</p>
<p>There is a huge difference. The day before birth it is living inside another human being. The day after birth he/she is on their own. But I am not an advocate of abortion that late in the pregnancy.</p>
<p>not only do i refrain from advocating late-term abortions, i'm never an "advocate" of abortion at all..i'm an advocate of choice. i don't really see why people refuse to understand this.</p>
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So in that sense all the arguments outlining the burdens of a child sound ridiculous. Are people with cancer just left to die because taking care of them is inconvenient?
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<p>One post, at least one dozen strawmen. I'm congratulating you - this is pretty impressive even by the standards of this thread.</p>
<p>Yeah, picking apart the straw men is becoming rather boring...</p>
<p>meh, we're never going to win this debate. I'm just glad that Roe vs. Wade happened and that it's currently still legal. Let's just hope that these crazy religious people don't try to overturn it.</p>
<p>Can you point out the at least a dozen strawmen that i've filled my post with? Because I'd really like to know (no sarcasm there). All I did was say that a life is a life, and if a fetus can be considered one, then any arguments discussing the benefits of abortion are irrelevant. I also pointed out the limits of concrete definitions. Besides that I can't really see anything wrong.</p>
<p>As of right now I'm just going to consider your post a knee jerk reaction until you can elaborate further.</p>