<p>Why the hell would you ruin your career/life by having a baby when you could just get an abortion? We already have too many people on this planet. The adoption system in this country is horrible, and we could also harvest the stem cells from the aborted fetus. I can't even possibly imagine trying to take care of a child in college. I think you would have to drop out and go on medicaid/section 8 housing/food stamps/unemployment and beg on the street for money. no thanks... I think I'll opt for the abortion.</p>
<p>^That is such a male response.</p>
<p>Do you realize what being pregnant, even for a few weeks, does to a woman's body? It releases a strain of hormones that make you attached to the life growing inside of you. These hormones increase once the baby is born, but they are still there. I think this is why most women opt for abortion over adoption...they don't want to carry the baby for nine years and grow attached to it just to have to give up the baby as soon as it's born.</p>
<p>I hate when guys act like they're a part of this debate at all. You're not. You can just get up and leave. The woman is the one that ends up either infertile, emotionally scarred, or (sometimes) even dead (mostly when they feel that they can't get an abortion and have no other way out).</p>
<p>If the male has no part in this decision, why does he have to pay child support if the woman keeps the child?</p>
<p>This is exactly why I am such a proponent of birth control. Using synthetic hormones and barrier methods completely make this entire discussion a moot point.</p>
<p>Pistolen08-I totally agree with you. It's not always right, but in circumstances where the father just up and leaves, yes, he should pay child support.</p>
<p>I am all for birth control. Abortion was NEVER meant to be used as a form of birth control, and when it is used as such is when I really just get ****ed off.</p>
<p>However. If you're not ready for the possibility of a pregnancy, you shouldn't be having sex. Period. I understand that people still will, but it irks me when girls (or guys) just go, "The condom broke." "I missed a pill."</p>
<p>If the health of the mother is in danger or she was raped/incestually attacked, that's a different story. If you just couldn't keep your pants zipped (boy or girl), t's your own damn fault. If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex. Period. Take responsibility for your actions and either keep the baby or put it up for adoption.</p>
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Well it's not just an ethical issue here. Currently, it's legally mandated to do so.
Failure to pay the child support is a felony and has hefty jail time and fines attached. </p>
<p>I completely agree with you about not using it as a form of birth control. Even from a financial standpoint, it's cheaper (or even free) to use a condom or oral contraceptive. Abortions are expensive, and also not to mention, carry big health risks. </p>
<p>However, in my opinion it is better for the welfare of our civilization to offer abortion as an option. Working in a pharmacy, I see hundreds of people on all sorts of government handouts because of their own stupid mistakes. I (yes, I as a taxpayer), should not have to contribute my hard earned money because Lashawndah got knocked up and decided it would be cute to be a "baby momma". She now lives life with 0 worries and contributes absolutely nothing to the welfare of our country. Had she received an abortion, she could have lightened the burden on our financial ****up. She will continue to eat, live, receive medical care and a living stipend because she is a freeloader. I don't even know how I got to this point in my reply..... well basically I think that they should allow stem cell research and promote abortion as an alternative to screwing over someone's entire life. Also, I think that we need to redo all of our countries sex education programs. This would most likely serve to inform students so that they hopefully wouldn't make the mistake in the first place and would take the proper precautions before the girl actually got pregnant... now I'm just rambling on, ok bye</p>
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I (yes, I as a taxpayer), should not have to contribute my hard earned money because Lashawndah got knocked up and decided it would be cute to be a "baby momma". She now lives life with 0 worries and contributes absolutely nothing to the welfare of our country. Had she received an abortion, she could have lightened the burden on our financial ****up. She will continue to eat, live, receive medical care and a living stipend because she is a freeloader.
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<p>I am 21 and don't contribute much to taxes, but I agree 100% with your comments.</p>
<p>My aunt and uncle rent out a hud house that they used to live in. The lady is 22 years old and has 4 kids. She dropped out of high school at 16 and never went back. She never learned from her first mistake, but she continued to having more children because the government is paying for it.</p>
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<p>Another comment that I agree with 100%. This is what I stated in another thread.</p>
<p>So many young people never think about the consequences when they have sex at such a young age. And when the girl does get pregnant, she acts astonished and says that she didn't think it would ever happen to her.</p>
<p>I definitely think it should be an option. I don't think making it illegal would do more good than harm.</p>
<p>But I will NEVER support it as a form of birth control, which I've seen done too many times for comfort.</p>
<p>As for the financial burden...you are aware that part of abortions are paid for by taxes, are you not?</p>
<p>Yes I do realize that Medicaid pays for a lot of the abortions. However, I would rather pay $500 in tax money to abort the child than thousands on other handouts to the mother and child.</p>
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I (yes, I as a taxpayer), should not have to contribute my hard earned money because Lashawndah got knocked up and decided it would be cute to be a "baby momma". She now lives life with 0 worries and contributes absolutely nothing to the welfare of our country. Had she received an abortion, she could have lightened the burden on our financial ****up. She will continue to eat, live, receive medical care and a living stipend because she is a freeloader.
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why do you present this (HYPOTHETICAL & FICTITIOUS) scenario as the rule and not the exception? it's extremely judgemental.</p>
<p>also, "the condom broke" and "i missed a pill" are both unfortunate things that could happen to anyone, and they do! until you're perfect, don't condemn anyone for their mistakes.
just last week, i went on an antibiotic for a sinus infection. luckily, i was informed enough to ask my doctor how the drug would affect my birth control. turns out, it does interfere, and until i start next month's pack, i should use a back-up form of protection as well. i don't think that it's necessarily common knowledge that certain medications can interfere with the effectiveness of oral contraceptives. if i hadn't known this and had gotten pregnant, would you call me an irresponsible "baby mama"?</p>
<p>I will repeat: If you're not ready for the possibility of a pregnancy, then you shouldn't be having sex. There is no excuse. </p>
<p>The condom breaking and/or missing a pill are not "mistakes". It's irresponsibility at its best. If you were really a responsible adult, you would just accept that something went wrong and live with the consequences. But instead, people choose to ***** and moan and place the responsibility on inanimate objects. Nice.</p>
<p>The foremost purpose of sex is to procreate. Say whatever you want, that's the purpose. So unless you've discussed it with your partner and are ready for the possibility that the strip might turn break, keep those pants zipped. No form of birth control is 100% protection, and it CAN happen to you.</p>
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I personally would say no. And I know someone who's gotten pregnant while on birth control twice - and she didn't miss a pill. The first time she didn't keep the baby, the second time she did. The first time she definitely wasn't ready, and the second time she was (she was in her twenties both times).
Then again, I think abortion is just fine and dandy (I'm of the opinion that it's not human life until it can live outside the womb on its own - 4 months premature was the earliest, no?)</p>
<p>I will say though that people who are on their third+ abortions disgust me, even though I still think it's their right to do so.</p>
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<p>Definitely their right to end a life before it has the chance to start. If you kill it before you can see it, there's no problem, right?</p>
<p>Yes, actually, because I don't believe it's murder.</p>
<p>And that it's also (at this point in time) completely legal in the us.</p>
<p>Johnson181-my brother heard my nephew's heartbeat at six weeks into my sister-in-law's pregnancy. Are you seriously suggesting that even though it has a heart and a heartbeat, that to kill it is not murder?</p>
<p>In almost every case of abortion that I have known/heard of, the woman has later regretted it.</p>
<p>Should it be legal? Yes. Should it be used as birth control or a way out just because you're not ready to be a parent? No. Give it to someone who wants to have a baby and can't. They're not exactly hard to find.</p>
<p>Murder is simply the unlawful killing of a human being, so no.</p>
<p>A fetus in my opinion is similar to a parasite, they leach off the mother in order to live. Since the fetus is living in the mother and off the mother, the mother should have complete control to what happens to the fetus. Whether or not the fetus is a human is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Another thing is if we abortion was to be outlawed we'd women would still have back-alley abortions which are much more dangerous for both the fetus and the mother. There was a article in the New York Times a little while ago that profiled a doctor who recalled how before Roe v Wade women would stick coathangers in themselves or make soap solutions that could easily kill the mother if something went wrong.</p>
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<p>This sounds like a lot of kids on CC to be honest.</p>
<p>"The foremost purpose of sex is to procreate."</p>
<p>This does not apply to one night stands, drunken sex or rape.</p>
<p>"Are you seriously suggesting that even though it has a heart and a heartbeat, that to kill it is not murder?"</p>
<p>Are you a vegetarian? Because killing animals for meat is basically the same thing as abortion. It's not human, but it's not a "necessary" killing.</p>
<p>And every girl I know that has had an abortion is happy that their lives/bodies/bank account weren't ruined by a pregnancy.</p>
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<p>This does not apply to one night stands, drunken sex or rape.
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<p>I understand what you're trying to say. I think that the writer would be better expressed by replacing 'purpose' with 'consequence', as nobody would actually dispute the essence of your standpoint.</p>