Preliminary ED numbers

<p>From the New York Times:</p>

<p>2,847 early applications, compared to 2360 last year, +487; 567 acceptances, compared to 570 last year</p>

<p>Acceptance rate: 19.9 %.</p>

<p>That’s the lowest ED acceptance rate I remember.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info fire! you always so accurate and helpful!</p>

<p>Hummm…so the number of apps went up, but the number of acceptances went down? Wow.</p>

<p>Where in the NYT did you find this? I’d like to read the whole article.</p>

<p>Are you being sarcarstic, limabeans? It’s hard to tell over the internet…</p>

<p>In any case, yeah, what you’d expect, I suppose. There aren’t suddenly more dorm rooms for people to stay in.</p>

<p>I wonder if the rise is part of the Emma Effect. I guess we’ll see a better picture in RD.</p>

<p>[The</a> Brown Daily Herald - Early decision applicants hear back](<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/early-decision-applicants-hear-back-1.2125616]The”>http://www.browndailyherald.com/early-decision-applicants-hear-back-1.2125616)</p>

<p>Of course the number of acceptances went down. We’re expecting record breaking applicants in the RD round (compared to last year, when RD went up 21% while ED dipped a percent or two), we want a similar portion of the class to be ED, the number of available spots hasn’t increased, and our yield has been rather consistent for about 10 years.</p>

<p>I don’t think this is the “Emma effect”, I think this is all the echoes of three main things-- 1) People are applying to far more colleges 2) Common application 3) Brown has seen increased geographical and class penetration, both inside the US and abroad. We’re drawing on a truly national and more international pool of applicants than ever before and more people are applying to more schools than ever before.</p>

<p>The New York Times didn’t have any more to say than what I pasted in, but here’s the link: [Running</a> Tally on Some Colleges’ Early Admission Figures - The Choice Blog - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/tally/]Running”>http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/tally/)</p>

<p>And from the BDH, news that about 400 applicants were denied, which is 14%. That means about 66% were deferred.</p>

<p>If more kids are applying to a greater number of colleges, might that mean there’s a greater likelihood that it’s going to be much harder to figure out the yield? If that’s the case, why not accept more ED applicants? (Maybe they did: it was 20%, 66%, 14%. The adcoms predicted anywhere between 20-30% acceptances.) I can only guess, but maybe it’s b/c they didn’t want to be too heavy in the ED arena b/c that messes up future year-to-year results. It could be that even after RD decisions are out, there is going to be lots of fiddling with the waitlist. Ahhhh!</p>

<p>I think I like what they do after medical school and before residency: both the colleges and the students pick their choices, listed in preferred order. Then a final list goes out and it’s all decided. You’re accepted into only one place. Sounds so much more civil.</p>

<p>Despite drastic changes in number of applicants, there have been extremely consistent yields. It’s simply not that unpredictable.</p>

<p>In fact, a few years ago they did accept more students thinking yield would drop. It didn’t and there were too many freshmen compared to beds.</p>

<p>yale is the only ivy that had a lower early acceptance rate than brown this year.</p>

<p>…Yale is also the only member of HYP that still uses any sort of Early notification system.</p>

<p>regardless, brown was harder to get into early this year than columbia, dartmouth, penn, etc.</p>

<p>Agreed. The last 12 months has been very momentous for Brown admissions. Whatever they did, they did right.</p>

<p>As modestmelody said, they were a number of changes this year. being on the common app was probably a huge one. Wonder what would have happened if they offered SCEA instead of ED.</p>

<p>Did they do these info session last year: “Brown Spring 2009 Information Sessions”? </p>

<p>Maybe Brown appeals to more kids because of its reputation of being perfect for that “quirky” kid, and that applies to many kids.</p>

<p>Yes, it’s certainly unique among the Ivies in that regard, which is why it occasionally wins cross-admit battles that peer schools never would. I’m very curious to see how its SAT average/class rank profile will compare to the schools traditionally seen as its peers (Columbia/Penn/Dartmouth). Perhaps it will try to edge in on Princeton? Is that even possible? Very interesting.</p>

<p>I’m surprised Cornell had an acceptance rate of 32.6% according to that article.</p>

<p>Cornell has had a marked increase of applications in the last several years, actually - in terms of raw number (not percentage), it has been far greater than Brown’s - I think as much as 10,000 in the last 8 years. However, its SAT averages have not climbed as significantly as other Ivy League schools, and in terms of overall selectivity (SATs, class rank, etc.) it is still significantly lower than any of its peers.</p>

<p>Caveat - I’m talking the institution as a whole. Some of its individual undergraduate colleges are actually as selective (if not more so) than other Ivies - for example, Engineering, Architecture and CAS.</p>

<p>Last year applicants:
Brown 24,988
Columbia 25,428
Cornell 34,381
Darmouth 18,130
Harvard 29,112
Penn 22,939
Princeton 21,964
Yale 26,000</p>

<p>FWIW, in 2001, Brown and Cornell had almost exactly the same number of applicants (16,606 vs. 16,538).</p>

<p>Not super impressive numbers for Cornell. While it’s clear Cornell has gained headway, it would be fair to assume that Cornell had far more growth potential than Brown because it had a larger mismatch between class size and number of applicants and because of it’s far wider curricular offerings. It also may not be unreasonable to assume that growth is harder if your admission rate is lower because more students are discouraged from applying. Not sure about that one-- it would be worth examining. Also, Cornell has more recognition internationally because of its higher research capacity so they’ve been drawing from a much larger pool than Brown, theoretically.</p>

<p>Cornell is growing like the other Ivies, but I’d say it’s simply been growing at a similarly impressive level as Brown and some of the other Ivies that have been growing. The fact that selectivity, as determined by examining things like test scores, hasn’t really changed at Cornell is a testament to the fact that its growth is not as much an outlier as it may appear.</p>

<p>I wonder how much of the pools overlap with each other? Presumably similar schools share large portions, like Harvard and Yale, Penn and Columbia, etc.</p>