<p>Nothing publicly available to get that information, and even internally, I think that they are only able to compute estimates based on sampling. I’m sure there are lots of cross admits without too many interesting patterns in the top 15 or so schools with similar numbers of students (similar programmatic offerings).</p>
<p>The creep on Princeton is an interesting topic, muerte. Last year, for example, there was intensive hand-wringing among Princeton boosters when Columbia had a 9.82% admission rate, while Princeton’s was 9.79% (without waitlist adjustments). To add insult to injury, Princeton went to the waitlist, while Columbia didn’t. Of course, Princeton points to the absence of ED and higher scores. ED is relevant (and likely dispositive, in my view), but schools like Brown and Columbia could game their scores easily, by admitting high scorers over candidates they might otherwise prefer. (Not to pick a fight, muerte, but Penn plays this game with the top 10% GPA statistic.) Perhaps Princeton will stage an admissions comeback, but I sometimes wonder whether the Princeton “experience” is as appealing to this generation as it was in the past. Anecdotally, at my sons’ high school, Princeton is not a player.</p>
<p>Well undoubtedly Princeton is still more selective (albeit only slightly) than the “middle” Ivy League schools, but the question is whether or not it could be overtaken - and in some respects, it seems possible. Overcoming Princeton’s considerable social prestige, however, seems impossible at this point in time, and it seems to me that Princeton is at a low point compared to a high point for Brown - if Princeton started to gain momentum, presumably it could pull away.
The whole game is stupid of course - a popularity contest. Brown obviously is highly selective and seems to provide a good education.</p>
<p>Just again, anecdotally, Princeton has not been a player at my high school for at least 15-20 years and I wonder if this for the reasons PBR cites. Social prestige amongst the elite, of course Princeton has a huge edge. However, Princeton may run into “difficulty” as the college-going population shifts further away from elites. Curious, I hadn’t thought about it until this morning, but it’s odd being about 1hr drive from Princeton that no one is every interested in going there from my area. Maybe it’s because we’re a high-Jewish population, middle to upper middle class area.</p>
<p>i’m surprised penn gets so many less applications than brown, considering it is a larger school similar to cornell with several pre-professional programs</p>
<p>An interesting statistic from Brown’s Herald Review (post 2 or 3): *About 80 percent more black students and about 37 percent more Latinos were admitted early decision this year than last year. * Those are pretty big changes. (Of course, that % isn’t raw numbers, which I don’t know. Sometimes percentages seem crazy until you see the actual if this is a small number.) Wonder how the RD activity will be.</p>
<p>We’ve also increased the number of applicants from Asian countries quite a bit, China especially where we’ve increased the applications almost 5x in the last few years.</p>
<p>A big part of Brown’s growth has simply been better awareness-- we’re doing more to tap into more markets both domestically and abroad than ever before. One of the strategic initiatives that has been undertaken by the admissions office has been to examine who isn’t applying and why, and they’ve been doing a better job reaching out to those groups.</p>