Preliminary Statistics Class 2011

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<p>The first numbers are starting to show up. Here are the first two Ivies.</p>

<p>*Columbia *</p>

<p>Total 2210/21343 = 10.35%
Early 594/2429 = 24.45%
Speculative Regular: 1616/18914 = 8.54%</p>

<p>Columbia College accepted 1,164 students regular decision into the class of 2011, out of a total applicant pool of 16,070. Meanwhile, SEAS accepted 452 of its regular decision applicants out of a pool of 2,844.</p>

<p>This year's early decision pools accounted for 44 percent of all admissions to both CC and SEAS. In December, the admissions office announced that 454 students were accepted to Columbia College, and 140 students were accepted to SEAS through the early process. This group of 21,343 students that applied to Columbia's two undergraduate schools represents an increase of 6.7 percent over last year's record high, with a combined admissions rate of 10.35 percent.</p>

<p>Also see <a href="http://media.www.columbiaspectator.com/media/storage/paper865/news/2007/03/29/News/Admissions.Stats.Break.School.Records-2812139.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://media.www.columbiaspectator.com/media/storage/paper865/news/2007/03/29/News/Admissions.Stats.Break.School.Records-2812139.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>*Harvard *</p>

<p>Total: 2058/22955 = 8.97%
Early: 875/4008 = 21.83%
Speculative Regular: 1183/18497 = 6,24%</p>

<p>2,058 students have been admitted to the Harvard College Class of 2011. The accepted students were drawn from a record pool of 22,955 applicants. That makes this year?s application process the most competitive Harvard has seen, with less than nine percent of hopeful students being offered a space in next year?s freshman class. In December, 875 students were admitted out of 4008. Last year, 2,109 of 22,753 applicants, or 9.3 percent of applicants to the Class of 2010 were accepted. </p>

<p>This year's pool of applicants included almost 3,200 people who got perfect scores on their SAT math test; 2,500 who scored perfectly on their SAT verbal test, and more than 3,000 high schoolers who were ranked first in their class. </p>

<p>That means hundreds of students who graduated number one or nailed their SATs with scores of 800 will learn today they still weren't good enough for Harvard. </p>

<p>Also see <a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=517933%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=517933&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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they still weren't good enough for Harvard.

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<p>Don't like that wording</p>

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<p>Claremont McKenna has posted its Class of 2011 Profile</p>

<p>Freshman Class Profile - Class of 2011</p>

<p>Number of applicants: 4,140
Number admitted: 670
Admission rate: 16%</p>

<p>Out-of-state: 58%
Californians: 42%
International: 9%
Female: 52%
Male: 48%</p>

<p>Class of 2010</p>

<p>Number of applicants 3,587
Number admitted 805
Admission rate 22%</p>

<p>Out-of-state 59%
Californians 41%
International 9%
Female 52%
Male 48%</p>

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<p>They were, in the eyes of the admissions office, LESS QUALIFIED for Harvard. (No admissions officer will ever admit to turning down a more qualified applicant for a less qualified one.)</p>

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<p>I think the statement of the Harvard admission office is that some large number of students who don't gain admission to Harvard are nonetheless academically qualified to attend Harvard--just not chosen that year as the office "builds a class."</p>

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<p>There are tens of thousands who are "academically qualified" to attend, but they are "less qualified" to be admitted.</p>

<p>(We know what he meant - "Sorry, but you are not about to become one of the few, the proud..." ;))</p>

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<p>^Exactly, "qualified to be admitted" is not the same as "qualified academically" or "qualified," period.</p>

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Don't like that wording

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<p>Here's the source: </p>

<p>By Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff </p>

<p>Almost 23,000 anxious applicants will begin checking their in-boxes at 5 p.m. today for that fateful e-mail: Did they get accepted at Harvard University? </p>

<p>For about 90 percent, the answer will be no. </p>

<p>Harvard College will send acceptance letters today to 2,058 people for the class of 2011. By taking just 9 percent of the 22,955 people who applied, it has broken its own record for its lowest admission rate in school history. </p>

<p>This year?s pool of applicants included almost 3,200 people who got perfect scores on their SAT math test; 2,500 who scored perfectly on their SAT verbal test, and more than 3,000 high schoolers who were ranked first in their class. </p>

<p>That means hundreds of students who graduated number one or nailed their SATs with scores of 800 will learn today they still weren?t good enough for Harvard. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/03/hday_harvard_ac.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/03/hday_harvard_ac.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Oh, okay, you were adopting someone else's wording. I think the concept is "had less distinctive to add to a class already assembled" rather than "weren't good enough."</p>

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<p>wow, these numbers are ridiculous!</p>

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<p>Yeah, I'm touchy! I hear back in 41 minutes from this place!</p>

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<p>"I think the concept is "had less distinctive to add to a class already assembled" rather than "weren't good enough."</p>

<p>The prestige comes from rejecting those who weren't good enough.</p>

<p>""had less distinctive to add to a class already assembled" might work okay for Podunk U., though they sometimes have to take who they can get.</p>

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<p>The question I have with all this ED vs. RD stuff is, what is the "profile" of each of these groups? That is, is this a scenario where (I'm making this up) the 25/75 percentile (SAT) is 1400-1600 ED, but 1600/1600 RD? Of course this is exaggerated for argument's sake, but until you have this information for all schools, parents/students cannot really make informed decisions on where to invest their application fees, can they?</p>

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<p>Unless you have the income profiles, you wouldn't learn much.</p>

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<p>Oh, Doubleplay, you won't really find a lot of information that does not require a giant grain of salt or a leap of faith. In the end, you'll just have to follow the theory that appeals the most to you -assuming ED will be around for much longer. Thus, it will be up to you to decide to trust the schools' message that the ED/EA pool is statistically stronger or ... trust the research of Avery that established a different scenario. </p>

<p>There is, however, one undeniable fact: the admission ratios are much, much higher in the early rounds**. On the surface, it would seem that all candidates benefit from the early rounds, and none more than the extremely rich and the extremely ... poor. </p>

<p>Fwiw, here's a nice but dated article:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200109/fallows%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200109/fallows&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>** at most schools</p>

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<p>At least Harvard and Princeton are going to a single-deadline system next year, which means no worries about applying early or not to those two colleges.</p>

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<p>doubleplay -You would need to know the numbers of sports recruitments, legacies, and other special catagories that are often locked in during the ED cycle in order to makes sense out of any of the SAT # differences.</p>

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<p>Well, here is the letter the Boston Globe did not see:</p>

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Dear ---------- ,</p>

<p>I am very sorry to inform you that it is not possible to offer you admission to the Class of 2011. I wish I were writing to report a different decision, but the competition was so rigorous this year that there were many outstanding young men and women to whom we could not offer places in the class.</p>

<p>Nearly twenty-three thousand students, a record number, applied to the entering class. The great majority of the applicants could certainly have been successful here academically, and most candidates presented strong personal and extracurricular credentials as well. The Committee was, therefore, faced with the necessity of choosing a class from a great many more talented and highly qualified students than it had room to admit.</p>

<p>We wish it were possible for us to admit more of our fine applicants, and we understand how difficult the college application process can be for students and their families. While the Committee conducted its deliberations with the utmost care, we know that no one can predict with certainty what an individual will accomplish during college or beyond. Past experience suggests that the particular college a student attends is far less important than what the student does to develop his or her strengths and talents over the next four years.</p>

<p>We very much appreciate the interest you have shown in Harvard College. We hope that you will accept the best wishes of the Committee for success in all your future endeavors.</p>

<p>Sincerely,</p>

<p>William R. Fitzsimmons
Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid
Harvard College

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<p>PS The letter is borrowed from the Harvard forum. "I" did not write it!</p>

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<p>Do you think, as I think, that the letter quoted in post #18 is a well worded rejection letter?</p>

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they still weren't good enough for Harvard. </p>

<p>Don't like that wording

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<p>If you're the one receiving that rejection letter, that's probably exactly how you feel....</p>