Premed statistics by school

Pre-Med & Medical School Pre-Med Topics
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<p>Everyone will find it helpful if we post links to data on premed statistics. The link should be to a university website and hopefully give information on acceptance rates and average GPA and MCAT scores for accepted students.</p>

<p>As any sociologist will tell you, hearsay, recall or information from a "reliable" source is often unreliable. Please do not post this type of information. Post only links to university provided information. Thanks.</p>

<p>MIT:</p>

<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/career/www/infostats/preprof.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/career/www/infostats/preprof.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Duke: (thanks bluedevilmike)</p>

<p><a href="http://prehealth.trinity.duke.edu/appendix/2006HPACAnnualReport.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://prehealth.trinity.duke.edu/appendix/2006HPACAnnualReport.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Penn: (If anybody has a better link, please post it. The average accepted GPA seems to be 3.6 something)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/gradprof/healthprof/medschoolstats.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/gradprof/healthprof/medschoolstats.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Please keep in mind that science GPA is a crucial indicator, perhaps even more important than overall GPA.</p>

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<p>Cornell data:
<a href="http://www.career.cornell.edu/HealthCareers/acceptedApplied.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.career.cornell.edu/HealthCareers/acceptedApplied.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Only extra piece of verified info I can add that's not online is that 80% of Cornell applicants with 3.8+ GPA got into at least one Top 20 med school (as defined by US News). This came from the handbook given to all Cornell applicants not hearsay.</p>

<p>As for the rest of the data, it's pretty much what I suspected. There's not much of a difference in acceptance rates from different schools once you control for the quality of the student body.</p>

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<p>Penn Data is 5 yrs old.</p>

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<p>Ah, there's the rub. They were looking a little funny to me.</p>

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<p>For Amherst College (data from 2000-2004):</p>

<p><a href="http://www.amherst.edu/%7Esageorge/guide2.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.amherst.edu/~sageorge/guide2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>then click on the text "what are my chances?"</p>

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<p>This is a great idea! Does anyone know the link for Stanford?</p>

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<p>Stanford's data is not publicly released, but it is given out to their own students in hard copy.</p>

<p>Perhaps a Stanford student could scan it and post it someplace anonymously.</p>

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<p>This is not related, but I am ecstatic to see this:

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Note that we count applicants as "less-qualified" if they took the August MCAT in the year they applied, no matter how high a score they received, because taking the August MCAT delays the application and puts the applicant at a disadvantage!

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<p>Thanks bluedevilmike. </p>

<p>Another link that is helpful in assessing how well college undergraduates fare in the med school application process is:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.mdapplicants.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.mdapplicants.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>This is not Penn data. It is data for matriculating students at each medical school. This contains no information specifically on Penn.h</p>

<p>
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The statistics below reflect the mean GPA and MCAT scores for matriculating students at each school. Statistics specifically regarding Penn applicants (both seniors and alumni) are kept in the Career Services library.

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<p>More specific, but limited information from Penn (without a date)</p>

<p>
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The average GPA of Penn applicants who are successful in gaining admission to medical school is around 3.45.

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<p>Thanks Norcalguy and Cardinalalum80. Those are great links. Penn fans, I too was concerned about that link. Please post a better one. So far we have great info on:</p>

<p>MIT, Duke, Cornell and Amherst</p>

<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/career/www/infostats/preprof.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/career/www/infostats/preprof.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://prehealth.trinity.duke.edu/appendix/2006HPACAnnualReport.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://prehealth.trinity.duke.edu/appendix/2006HPACAnnualReport.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.career.cornell.edu/HealthCareers/acceptedApplied.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.career.cornell.edu/HealthCareers/acceptedApplied.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.amherst.edu/%7Esageorge/guide2.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.amherst.edu/~sageorge/guide2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Judging by the info from Cornell and Duke, competition for medical school is heating up again and acceptance rates in 2006 are lower than in years past. Thanks to everyone for not posting unsupported facts.</p>

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<p>UC Berkeley</p>

<p><a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/MedStats/MedStats.stm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://career.berkeley.edu/MedStats/MedStats.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>University of Michigan</p>

<p><a href="http://www.careercenter.umich.edu/students/healthmedlaw/med/medappstats.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.careercenter.umich.edu/students/healthmedlaw/med/medappstats.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>UCB's website reports 264 applicants to medical schools in the 2006 class. </p>

<p>You can see here that there were 544 total applicants: <a href="http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/mwhite.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2006/mwhite.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This serious underreporting will almost certainly generate an optimistic selection bias.</p>

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<p>What interests me is the comparison b/w the Michigan and Cornell data since they both breakdown their applicants by GPA and MCAT. Cornell is your prototypical grade inflated elite private school. Michigan is your prototypical good state school w/ rep. for being grade deflated.</p>

<p>Yet when you control for GPA, Cornell clearly comes out on top:</p>

<p>Among applicants with 3.2-3.6 GPA's, only 39% scored a 30 or higher on the MCAT</p>

<p>Among applicants from Cornell with 3.2-3.6 GPA's, 66% scored a 30 or higher. </p>

<p>This is as I have always suspected. Despite grade inflation, it is harder to achieve the same GPA from an elite school than from a state school. The kinds of kids who get a 3.5 at Cornell have median scores of 31 or 32 while the kids who get 3.5's at Michigan have median scores of around 28-29.</p>

<p>This also explains why Duke applicants get in with overall and science GPAs slightly below the national average. It's not so much that a 3.5 from Duke is better than a 3.5 from Michigan or Berkeley, it's that the person with 3.5 from Duke is more likely to have a 32 while the person from Berkeley is more likely to have a 29. This explains why the GPA's of accepted Duke applicants is below the national median but the MCAT scores of accepted Duke applicants is way above the national median.</p>

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<p>When I look at the statistics, it seems that there was a downward trend in # of applicants since the climax of 1996, but now, there is an increase again. Despite declining incomes, it seems more people will want to be doctors in the future. Am I right? In one of BDM posts, he said that the level of competitivity for medical school will be lower (but still very competitive) but the opposite seems to happen. Do you have any insights about such competitivity in 5-6 years? Will there be a second climax in 2012?
Any comments/clarifications would be welcome!</p>

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<p>it's all demographics; the children of the baby boom(the echo) population bulge reaches its zenith in 2009(the year when college applications will peak). This would suggest professional school applications will peak in 2013 or so just as result of sheer number of people that age.</p>

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<p>Hopefully, somebody will find some more official numbers. Based on 2006 stats, </p>

<p>a sampling of top private schools is showing acceptance rates in the 70's</p>

<p>a sampling of top public schools is showing acceptance rates in the 50's</p>

<p>overall acceptance rates for 2006 is 46% and has been dropping every year ince 2002</p>

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<p>Bump? Any new stats?</p>

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<p>Someone mentioned optimistic selection bias for UCB data, but isn’t the consent to release admission info made well before acceptance/rejection?</p>