<p>barboza - please provide a link to emails instead of quoting them directly.</p>
<p>FYI to all - @cavalierdaily is posting all of Dragas’ emails. They are public property, in the same way that my emails as a public school employee are public property.</p>
<p>I’ve been following on twitter hazel. I have to say I am disheartened to see Michael Strine come up in the emails. I was aware that he had prior knowledge, however these emails put his possible connection beyond just knowing. These are just snippets, and as with everything else we don’t know the full story so I hope there’s another explanation.</p>
<p>I have a D who is a rising senior. Being accepted to UVA has been her goal as long as I can remember. Obviously, given my screen name, I have great affection for my alma mater as well. I’m not shocked, but I am disappointed, by the ‘turn and flee to the hills’ mentality here. I believe in UVA. Current students and their parents seem to as well. Yes, this is a crisis of leadership and an episode of shameful mismanagement perpetrated by Ms Dragas and her cronies, but it in no way diminishes my prides in the school, my desire to see my child admitted, or my sincere belief that UVA will continue to be one of the bright lights in higher education in this country. UVA has instilled a deep- seated sense of honor in its students and faculty and while some may turn and run, the majority will continue to support the school and help it emerge stronger for the events that have shaken it during the past two weeks.</p>
<p>I’m with you, 89wahoo!</p>
<p>While Professor Wulf certainly is entitled to hand in his resignation, I did not like that he seemed to encourage other faculty to quit also. If he chose to teach at the University because of its bedrock principles, than quitting (which is his right) because of this seems to be the easy way out. I would rather have faculty who will continue to believe in the tenets of the University and brave it out through thick and thin. Much like 89wahoo said, I am not a fan of the “turn and flee to the hills” approach. While the BOV do need to learn a lesson, packing up and quitting is not the answer–working even harder to elucidate the correct vision and path is.</p>
<p>^^ I agree. Sounds like Wulf is at the play yard taking his marbles and going home . . . </p>
<p>Moreover, Wulf’s letter of resignation is ambiguous regarding his wife . . . unless she submitted a separate letter which has yet to be picked up by the media, it doesn’t appear that she is following is lead, even though he referred to her quite heavily in his letter. Curious.</p>
<p>How is Cavalier Daily able to obtain Dragas and Kingston’s emails? Did they give permission?</p>
<p>barboza, Freedom of Information Act .</p>
<p>those calling for greater taxpayer say in how UVA is run should be careful… I am fairly confident if it was put to a vote, VA taxpayers (that are paying less and less of the operating expenses) would vote for UVA to be approximately 90% instate students.</p>
<p>I also agree that the high profile professor that is leaving is taking the easy way out. If he really cared about the community, he would stay involved and work to change things for the better. He was in a position where he could’ve been a leader. Instead he just left. His position will be filled by someone dedicated to the improvement of the university. You can find out a lot about people by how they act in a time of discomfort or distress (see: italian cruise ship captain vs. sullenberger).</p>
<p><em>back to lurking</em></p>
<p>[Emails</a> reveal desire for online learning strategy | Daily Progress](<a href=“http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/19/emails-reveal-desire-online-learning-strategy-ar-1999888/]Emails”>http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/19/emails-reveal-desire-online-learning-strategy-ar-1999888/)</p>
<p>Re: online courses. My son is taking two online now that Stanford offers. He pays nothing for the courses. So how does this make money for a University. I think MIT is also free.
I saw it as a good-will gesture. SO, I really dont know what UVA hopes to get from all this and if they also don’t charge, I certainly hope they dont raise tuition to cover this. Why go to UVA online when you can go to Stanford, MIT, and I think Harvard has something (or in the works). I dont know enough about this to really understand it so enlighten me and what the BOV is thinking.</p>
<p>“I think this decision is going to greatly affect the way in state students view UVA vs. some of the other schools in Virginia, especially one which draws the same type of applicant: William and Mary.”</p>
<p>I already know plenty of kids that wouldn’t go to UVA because they felt it was “arrogont”
They went with William and Mary. Time will tell how this will be viewed by class of 2017 and beyond. My son did not see this at UVA, but did not spend
a lot of time there either before making a decision. The recent happenings, however, scream everything that is beyond arrogont and ugly.</p>
<p>With regards to online education, I’ve only seen what Stanford offers. Along with publishing free online content, they make online education a cash cow through offering:</p>
<ol>
<li>Graduate/professional certificates by successful completion of online programs</li>
<li>Master’s Degrees through part-time online education (2-5 years)</li>
</ol>
<p>[Certificates</a> & Degrees | Stanford University Online](<a href=“http://scpd.stanford.edu/degreeCredit/degreesCertificates.jsp]Certificates”>http://scpd.stanford.edu/degreeCredit/degreesCertificates.jsp)</p>
<p>Email timeline, as published by Washington Post: [E-mails</a> show U-Va. board leaders planning Teresa Sullivan’s exit - College, Inc. - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/e-mails-show-u-va-board-leaders-planning-teresa-sullivans-exit/2012/06/19/gJQAAytGpV_blog.html]E-mails”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/college-inc/post/e-mails-show-u-va-board-leaders-planning-teresa-sullivans-exit/2012/06/19/gJQAAytGpV_blog.html)</p>
<p>Shows that the whole thing was orchestrated mainly by Dragas and Kington, along with other high-profile donors, Strine and Simon. It also mentions Hillary Hurd, the student representative, as agreeing to oust Sullivan. Shame on her.</p>
<p>What Dragas intended to say if she didn’t hire any PR folks…</p>
<p>[Rector</a> Dragas’ Statement, Translated into Plain English cvillenews.com](<a href=“http://cvillenews.com/2012/06/18/dragas-statement-translated/]Rector”>Rector Dragas’ Statement, Translated into Plain English | cvillenews.com)</p>
<p>Full emails finally published</p>
<p>[Rector</a>, vice rector emails and other information obtained through Freedom of Information Act | The Cavalier Daily](<a href=“http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/19/rector-vice-rector-emails-and-other-information-obtained-through-freedom-of-information-act/]Rector”>http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/19/rector-vice-rector-emails-and-other-information-obtained-through-freedom-of-information-act/)</p>
<p>The “plain English” piece by Waldo Jaquith linked in #355 is terrific. Thanks, barboza.</p>
<p>All this talk about on line education is interesting. The fact that right now certain high profile schools are offering courses for free is probably very smart since they are experimenting with the effectiveness of that type of learning. Imagine a world where anyone who wanted an advanced degree from X university (insert H,P,Y,MIT,S,UVA) if they qualified could get one without worrying about space in a classroom or where they lived or if they could afford to stop working to go back to school to get said degree. They could go to school on their time. They are most likely offering them for free while they perfect their product and then…when it is perfected it becomes something very attractive. If UVA’s competitors are working towards this then I agree we cannot be left behind. I know that ‘virtual high school’ has become very attractive at my children’s small HS. It allows students to take classes that would ordinarily not be available due to its size. </p>
<p>UVA is and will remain an outstanding University, well respected despite this bungled situation. I hope that the number of Professors that try to stamp their feet is kept to a minimum, but even that is not going to change the fact that it is a great place. Great is more than just one aspect, ie profs, grounds, students, etc. it is the combination of all. Otherwise any University could change their image overnight by hiring an “esteemed President” or several “esteemed professors”. </p>
<p>Lets let the dust settle really. Change is always painful due to the fear it causes.</p>
<p>This entire situation makes me so incredibly sad, disappointed and sick to my stomach. I am hoping that the Governor will consider Austin Ligon’s statement and take this action:</p>
<p>[Full</a> statement from former Board of Visitors member Austin Ligon | Daily Progress](<a href=“http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/19/full-statement-former-board-visitors-member-austin-ar-1999962/]Full”>http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/19/full-statement-former-board-visitors-member-austin-ar-1999962/)</p>
<p>I don’t think the elite Universities are ever going to figure out a way to make online education work for Undergraduate education. Sure, for financial reasons, they would love to do it, which is why they are testing it now with classes that do not actually count or provide the user any college credit.</p>
<p>The potential for cheating is infinite in online classes, and in my opinion, that’s not really going to be corrected anytime soon, because it’s just not a problem with a simple solution.</p>
<p>If they fired President Sullivan because she wasn’t moving fast enough with regards to online education, I think that was a dumb decision. I hope they had a better reason than that.</p>