President Sullivan leaving

<p>A couple of recent developments posted in the Richmond T-D:</p>

<p>[U.Va&lt;/a&gt;. board to reconsider Sullivan ouster | Richmond Times-Dispatch](<a href=“http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/jun/22/tdmain01-uva-board-to-reconsider-sullivan-ouster-ar-2005566/]U.Va”>http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/jun/22/tdmain01-uva-board-to-reconsider-sullivan-ouster-ar-2005566/)</p>

<p>I don’t know the ramifications to being out of compliance with accreditation standards, but I would imagine it can’t be seen as a good thing to be investigated.</p>

<p>"Also Thursday, the university’s accrediting agency said it plans to take the first step to determine whether the squabble has put U.Va. out of compliance with some accreditation standards.</p>

<p>Belle S. Wheelan, president of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Commission on Colleges, said she intends to send U.Va. a letter next week requesting more information. Depending on the response, the commission may send a committee to U.Va. to investigate further, she said."</p>

<p>Also, re: Gov. McDonnell’s latest involvement:</p>

<p>[McDonnell</a> demands immediate action at U.Va. | Richmond Times-Dispatch](<a href=“http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/jun/22/10/uva-interim-president-suspending-new-role-cites-bo-ar-2006678/]McDonnell”>http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/jun/22/10/uva-interim-president-suspending-new-role-cites-bo-ar-2006678/)</p>

<p>As a current parent and strong University supporter, I have very mixed feelings about the recent events. </p>

<p>I have been very impressed with Terry Sullivan from first meeting her. She is without a doubt one of the brightest and most personable people I have ever met. I also love that she is a “sports chick,” who rabidly follows all UVa athletics. Indeed, I have marveled at when she could possibly find the time to sleep, as she appeared to be everywhere on Grounds. I was truly saddened when the email came through two Sundays ago. I have been amazed, though not really surprised, by the grace she has shown throughout this debacle, and my support for her went through the roof when she issued her statement yesterday urging civility. I am cautiously optimistic she will be reinstated and that the University will benefit from, and face its many challenges, under her direction for the next several years.</p>

<p>I am very impressed with the university deans and their statement yesterday. It was a brilliant statement and a helpful roadmap forward. By acknowledging some of the challenges outlined in Helen Dragas’s statement (written with the help of Hill and Knowlton), accepting the urgency of some of them, and agreeing to work with Terry on addressing them, the statement helps the BoV and the University move forward from this.</p>

<p>I have major reservations with some faculty after this. I appreciate the Faculty Senate’s actions to band together to fight the lack of due process and transparency in the BoV’s actions, but the snark and antibusiness tirades of some faculty and staff on the various comment boards out there really trouble me. Perhaps in my years involved with UVa I saw what I wanted to regarding the faculty when I viewed them as a group of learned men and women who by and large want to interact with undergraduates and who are not overtly hard left in their views (at least as university faculty in 21st century US go). Before this, I did not have to see the university politics or the condescending views of many faculty toward those not up in the ivory tower with them, able to spend the days merely thinking great thoughts . . . . I was also concerned that the price of getting Terry back might be the stifling of discussion of some of the legitimate issues facing UVa (and many other schools) as governmental subsidies dwindle. But, the Deans’ statement gives me hope that will not be the case.</p>

<p>Others in the university community – especially alumni – also get a mixed review. One of the nicks on UVa both in state and out is that is overly snobby and impressed with itself. Many of us on this board and others have tried to quell that view. Unfortunately, in my opinion, many alums have set those efforts back immensely with over the top rhetoric during this, admittedly trying time. The flip side was an immense display of school spirit though, so in the end the alumni behavior may come out as a wash “reputationaly” for the school. </p>

<p>To any who have read this far – bottom line, I don’t think the events of the past two weeks will adversely impact UVa’s reputation. To those instate, it is still the flagship university, and OOS, this hasn’t gotten that much play. With 28,000 applicants last year, there is ample demonstrated interest in the school to populate it with outstanding students for years to come. For future faculty recruitment, UVa still is a big name institution in an idyllic place to live. Accordingly, it will continue to be an attractive place to teach.</p>

<p>Thanks for your thoughts, all. </p>

<p>Grounds and the Corner feel alive at a time that is traditionally a little sleepy. I have never felt the Grounds as unified as it has been in the last two weeks. I’m proud of how our community is collaborating right now and of how thoughtful the discussions I’ve had with students and colleagues have been. </p>

<p>The feeling here is positive and optimistic. I wasn’t sure if that was how people felt off Grounds as well.</p>

<p>“let the Governor and the Legislature know that we want reforms in the process of selecting appointees to the Board of Visitors. The amount of campaign contributions to the winning Governor’s campaign should not be primary selection criteria.”</p>

<p>Totally agree. Fyi, on 7/1 a new law comes on line. BOV expands to 17 from 16, number of VA residents required drops from 13 to 12, and only 12 have to be UVA alumni. Also requires one to be an MD. </p>

<p>That will open up some potential space on the BOV for more diverse experience (like respected people from other universities). That would be a good thing. But the Gov actually has to use his new flexibility in making new appointments for this to matter.</p>

<p>I’ve been getting email statements from Dragas & Zeithaml. As reported in the Cav Daily:</p>

<p>[Rector</a> Dragas statement on University challenges, Sullivan resignation | The Cavalier Daily](<a href=“http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/21/rector-dragas-statement-on-university-challenges-sullivan-resignation/]Rector”>http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/21/rector-dragas-statement-on-university-challenges-sullivan-resignation/)</p>

<p>[Zeithaml</a> letter regarding role as future interim University president | The Cavalier Daily](<a href=“http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/22/zeithaml-letter-regarding-role-as-future-interim-university-president/]Zeithaml”>http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2012/06/22/zeithaml-letter-regarding-role-as-future-interim-university-president/)</p>

<p>What exactly does all this mean?</p>

<p>One of the indelible memories from this whole debacle will be the reports in The Washington Post and New York Times (among many other media outlets ) of the president describing UVA as essentially overrated. I can’t help but believe that will make many top students think twice before committing to go there in the future.</p>

<p>12rmh18,I got both of these emails this morning forwarded by hoosonline, the online community for UVa alumni. I have an alumni kid and you said in this thread that you do too so that is probably why you are getting the emails. The alumni group probably just wants to make sure their alumni (and alumni parents too presumably) are informed of the most recent developments. Anyway,that is my guess.</p>

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That wasn’t a moment from this debacle. A “reputation gap” was mentioned in a memo President Sullivan sent to the Board on May 3rd. If you care to read the entire document: <a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/06/14/Education/Graphics/Strategy%20rev[3].pdf[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/06/14/Education/Graphics/Strategy%20rev[3].pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The quote:

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<p>Some detail:

My read on this is that she was advocating investing in what we have before jumping into the deep end of a new pool.</p>

<p>“One of the indelible memories from this whole debacle will be the reports in The Washington Post and New York Times (among many other media outlets ) of the president describing UVA as essentially overrated. I can’t help but believe that will make many top students think twice before committing to go there in the future.”</p>

<p>Bingo! Whoever the new BOV and go-forward president are, they will need to deal with this problem, which is a real big problem. UVA needs OOS folks like me to send my kid (and my $48k) to UVA. As much as I love UVA, I’m not sure I’m going to still send those dollars to UVA if its rankings drop and my kid gets a robo-prof in a math lab. If I want that, I could send my kid to school in-state for $20k or to UNC for $38k. </p>

<p>Or if I can pay just a few grand more, then I can send my kid to a private school like Emory or Wake or Georgetown.</p>

<p>My son goes to a very competitive STEM magnet. Believe me, this story is big news to the sector of the population that matters most to UVA: those parents who have raised their little cupcakes from birth to attend a prestigious university. They are indeed following this story and the comments about UVA’s reputation gap resonated.</p>

<p>I have already read Dr. Sullivan’s comments. And though her original statement regarding UVA’s “reputation gap” predated this debacle, you must admit they received extensive publicity in the controversy surrounding her ouster.</p>

<p>marrob4, I am curious as to how you know what sector of the population matters most to UVa? Your statement is certainly news to me.</p>

<p>“My son goes to a very competitive STEM magnet. Believe me, this story is big news to the sector of the population that matters most to UVA: those parents who have raised their little cupcakes from birth to attend a prestigious university. They are indeed following this story and the comments about UVA’s reputation gap resonated.”</p>

<p>I am surprised that this is the first time that you have heard about a reputation gap in the STEM offerings at UVA. This is not new at all and can be found all over the internet. Parents and students who are married to USNWR ratings and base their decisions on the university’s overall ranking are doing themselves a great disservice. There are plenty of lower ranked schools that excel in these very important areas. There are very few schools with strengths across all disciplines, unfortunately UVA is not one of them. This is not to say that UVA is not a fine school, it’s just not a great choice for this area of academia.</p>

<p>UVA’s biggest revenue line is the one that is most at risk to any perceived reputation gap. </p>

<p>UVA gets 22% of its budget from OOS tuition. 11% from endowment, 10% from in-state tuition, 9% from state funding. </p>

<p>Kids that get into UVA OOS (20-ish percent acceptance rate) also get into other schools that have similar acceptance rates/rankings. If those OOS families see UVA’s ratings slip a little bit, they can send their kids elsewhere (especially since UVA’s OOS price point has gotten so high). </p>

<p>If UVA can’t keep attracting high OOS tuition, then its financial model unravels.</p>

<p>Parents and students who care about USNWR rankings have to be aware that the ranking methodology systematically discriminates against public universities. What I think everyone regards as the top 5 public universities, in some order or another, all show up at numbers 21-29 in the 2012 USNWR rankings. </p>

<p>Now, the quality of top American universities is pretty great, so it’s not like being top 30 is so awful. But when you look at some of the private colleges ranked in the teens, and those ranked in the 20s as the precise equivalents of Berkeley, Michigan, and UVa, it’s pretty hard not to conclude that the public universities are meaningfully underranked. USNWR punishes them for admitting a relatively large number of students, who don’t all have perfect grades and test scores, some of whom have a greater risk of not graduating than 1%. There’s no acknowledgment that that practice serves some important democratic values, and that within each of those larger classes there’s a subset that is as large as and statistically equivalent to a class at Princeton or Yale. (Something that’s not necessarily true of, say, Wake Forest.) </p>

<p>I doubt there’s an elite university anywhere that doesn’t worry about some areas where it is not living up to its reputation. The only ones that don’t have to worry about that are the ones with no reputation to start with.</p>

<p>Approximately 20,000 of the 28,000 + applications last year were from out of state students. The President ,in an internal memo, identified a reputation gap in some areas and talked about the need for some changes. I don’t see how a school identifying issues and then moving forward to address any issues is a negative. And yes, there are other schools out there and there are always going to be students that choose to go elsewhere,both instate and OOS.</p>

<p>McDonnell in letter to #BOV: “I will ask for the resignation of the entire Board on Wednesday.” if #UVA situation is not resolved Tuesday</p>

<p>The Cavalier Daily ‏@cavalierdaily
Gov. McDonnell also made public his letter to the #BOV on his website: <a href=“http://www.governor.virginia.gov/utility/docs/LetterToUVA-Board.pdf[/url]”>http://www.governor.virginia.gov/utility/docs/LetterToUVA-Board.pdf&lt;/a&gt; #UVA #highered #Sullivan</p>

<p>Very interesting read in the Sullivan memo. I think she really had a good grasp of the issues. I can also see why a consultant-type might have cause for concern. Sullivan’s memo is clearly written by someone who highly values getting the foundation built correctly, i.e, she’s into the nitty gritty details of management. </p>

<p>There are however no big ideas in the memo or a clear strategic vision. It’s hard to fault her for that since she was told not to prepare one. On the other hand, the BOV might expect that the COO would handle the nitty gritty details and the President would work on the overall vision and fundraising. I’m beginning to think that a lot of problems could have been avoided with better communication.</p>

<p>While I agree that problems could have been avoided with better communication, I don’t think that’s what Dragas wanted. She had a vision of what she wanted and it did not include Terry Sullivan. Communicating with her would have risked success. Dragas wanted success her way with another president.</p>

<p>At the risk of sounding like an absolute idiot, I’m going to ask a question that may be obvious, but I truly don’t know the answer – when Dr. Sullivan was in these meetings where she discussed the “reputation gap” of UVA and pointed out what she felt were the school’s shortcomings, did she know her statements would be a matter of public record? Was there an alternative private forum she could have addressed her concerns without them being released to the press?</p>