President's Day challenge for the CC experts!

<p>College Confidential Oracles! Any advice on this this search?</p>

<p>Junior from the NE
2160 SAT<br>
most demanding course
school does not compute GPA, but mostly As
school does not rank, but perhaps a cum laude designate
average ECs (unless encyclopedic knowledge of Project Runway counts)</p>

<p>Wants:
rigorous school (honest!)
core curriculum (great books?)
Strong English Lit department
small to medium size (enjoys classroom discussions)
preferably urban, preferably west coast, but after lots of hand-wringing on the part of this jittery CC-reading parent, is willing to expand the geography
"Ixnay" on single-gender schools (apologies to Mini and TheDad)</p>

<p>We’re planning to visit Chicago in March and would like to identify and visit interesting, but less selective schools in the area. Any suggestions for us near Chicago, or elsewhere?</p>

<p>Chicago is a good choice to visit. A couple of other good colleges "in the area" (broadly defined but not nearly as urban) that would seem to fit your son's criteria would include Beloit and Kalamazoo. </p>

<p>If he looks West Coast and urban, he could consider Reed (which I attended). Lots and lots of in-class and out-of-class discussions. For the serious student. Very rigorous and demanding. Its curriculum focuses on humanities (including the classics) as a base for all students, though it doesn't describe this as Great Books or a "core" as such (though it has more of a true core than Chicago -- I can elaborate on that if you are interested, since my son attended Chicago).</p>

<p>If a nerd...
UofChicago</p>

<p>If a prep...
Northwestern</p>

<p>Here's something I posted some time ago comparing Chicago with Reed:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=117383%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=117383&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>suggest calculating unweighted gpa on a spreadsheet: 4.0 for an A, 3.0 for a B and so on. Academic classes only.</p>

<p>The other 2 obvious choices to fit this group are Columbia and St. John's College (Annapolis or Santa Fe). There are a couple other great books schools of more recent vintage--check out the Choosing the Right College guidebook at your library. I'd look it up for you but we gave our copy to the GC :(</p>

<p>Agree with Wyogal--Choosing the Right College should be one of your tools, given your student's interest. In addition to identifying great books schools, it also tells the student how to construct their own core, using actual courses offered by the individual institutions. You can read about it at the link below. Chicago, Reed, St. Johns, and Columbia are all high in the guide's pantheon.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.isi.org/college%5Fguide/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.isi.org/college%5Fguide/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The Claremont College group in southern California - including Pitzer, Pomona, Claremont McKenna (omitting Harvey Mudd as the techie in the group and Scripps as it is all women).</p>

<p>Santa Clara University (in Silicon Valley south of San Francisco)</p>

<p>Less selective but near/in Chicago: Lake Forest, North Central, Loyola Chicago, and DePaul. We visited Lake Forest in the fall; I liked it, my daughter not enough to apply. They are noted for their generous merit aid, however.</p>

<p>I visited Notre Dame this past summer. Not horrendously far from Chicago -- we flew into O'Hare and rented a car to drive less than 2 hrs to South Bend. Great school! Not urban tho ... but there's train and bus service to Chicago. You can actually manage public transport from O'Hare to Notre Dame if you coordinate things well and don't have a lot of luggage.</p>

<p>Although it might be bigger than your child thinks they want, I'd add a stop at the University of Wisconsin Madison during the trip just to get an idea of what a larger school has to offer. Some other schools with strong English departments within driving distance of Chicago: Lawrence U, Beloit (already mentioned), Northwestern (ditto), DePauw, Knox College. </p>

<p>You might want to check out the intinerary that a poster named Sly_Vermont is planning. They'll be hitting Northwestern, Beloit, Lake Forest and U of Wisconsin. You could easily throw in U of Chicago and possibly Lawrence if you have a full week. On the other hand, you might also consider flying into Chicago and back home from another city, such as Indianapolis, Cleveland, Columbus or Minneapolis-St. Paul. That will give you more options to see along the way if you don't mind doing a bit of driving. Fly home from Minneapolis, for example, and you could add stops at Macalaster, St. Olaf and Carleton after you see the U of Wisconsin. Last spring break, my daughter and I flew into Dayton and visited Earlham, then drove over to Knox, then up to Beloit and Lake Forest. </p>

<p>Other schools relatively close to urban areas not yet mentioned, but worth a look for English: U of Pennsylvania, Brandeis, U of Rochester, Columbia, Johns Hopkins, Occidental, Rice, Trinity (TX), Trinity (CT),
Macalester, Swarthmore, Oberlin, Rhodes, Vanderbilt, Washington U in St. Louis, Emory, Carleton, St. Olaf, Tufts, Boston College, Boston U, Wheaton (Mass), U of Michigan.</p>

<p>Strictly west coast options (besides Reed): Whitman College in Washington, Pomona, Occidental, U of Arizona, Willamette, Lewis & Clark, plus, of course, the usual suspects in terms of the U of California schools, the U of Oregon, and the U of Washington.</p>

<p>I always have to laugh when people mention Arizona as west coast (or strictly west coast). It's west, but in no way coastal (merely 410 miles due east from San Diego). Nonetheless, you've got several useful suggestions there, Carolyn.</p>

<p>Red springs immediately to mind, esp. because of the "likes classroom discussions" part--I went to my D's play (she was in the crew not the cast) this weekend and was stunned at the intellectual discussion that was taking place around me. My D is a theater-lit major and I've been inpressed with the rigour of the program.</p>

<p>DMD: I assume you meant to write "Reed."</p>

<p>Mack,
That's really funny, because I originally had Arizona on the middle list, but when I started listing west coast schools I thought someone would complain that Arizona should really be lumped with the west coast schools. :)</p>

<p>Dmd and Mack (and Emerald),
I'd love to chat with you about Reed some time. My son, a sophomore, surprised me by recently mentioning it as a school he'd like to visit. He definitely would love the "intellectual" part, but he's also a very social creature. Would Reed be a fit for someone who likes to work hard but also likes to have fun socially? Of course, we're just starting the college search, but he's already told me that he'd like his college to be as "CTY-ish" as possible --- he loved that combination of academic and social intensity.</p>

<p>Mackinaw--would you believe I proofread that and caught three other errors. Yes, thank you, I did mean Reed.</p>

<p>Carolyn--my D certainly has an active social life--although she did comment last week that she seemed to have dated everyone she was interested in ;-) Feel free to IM me if you have more specific questions.</p>

<p>Thank you, everyone, for all the suggestions. We'll look into them!</p>

<p>"He definitely would love the "intellectual" part, but he's also a very social creature. Would Reed be a fit for someone who likes to work hard but also likes to have fun socially?"</p>

<p>Depends on what you mean by "fun"? (I have stories! ;))</p>