Prestige of US schools among Chinese citizens

[seta]

<p>@JohnAdams12, </p>

<p>“USC is no longer easy to get into these days”
it might be true for undergraduate, but for graduate, especially for master program, it is very easy to get into compared with other top universities on my list. And ppl usually say :“I am going to USC.”, other than “I am going to do master degree at USC.”</p>

[seta]

<p>@JohnAdams12, thank you for pointing out that, my bad. ( I am going to correct it)</p>

[UCLA_Band_Mom]

<p>Ha! That Asian Correspondent article used a photo of UCLA for its paragraph about USC. :rolleyes:</p>

[Sam_Lee]

<p>Professor101,</p>

<p>Your agenda to sell JHU can’t be more obvious. JHU should never be above Cornell and Penn. JHU is no Ivy and other than the medical school, most of its graduate programs are outside the top-15. I came from Hong Kong and knew Cornell/Penn way before knowing JHU and almost none of my schoolmates matriculated there (I went to a top-20 HS there).</p>

[000ace000]

<p>^The Johns Hopkins SAIS Nanjing Center is established and very well known around the area. Maybe not in HongKong, but in mainland China, and especially around the Yangtze Triangle, JHU is well known.</p>

<p>[Hopkins-Nanjing</a> Center | Home](<a href=“http://nanjing.jhu.edu/]Hopkins-Nanjing”>http://nanjing.jhu.edu/)</p>

[Sam_Lee]

<p>^Very few Asians care about international studies or humanities. Business, finance, economics, acturial sciences, computer science, and engineering are much more popular and viewed as more prestigious majors. Don’t cherry pick one or two signature programs that are actually pretty obscure among Asians. Cornell/Penn are both Ivies and have better graduate programs across most of the disciplines. You don’t get reputation out of a vaccum.</p>

[liu02bhs]

<p>Before my views got tainted by US influences, the only schools I knew in the US were Havard and Berkeley.</p>

<p>I still don’t view the LAC in high regard nor lower Ivies like Brown, Dartmouth. UT-Austin is better known than lower Ivies.</p>

[000ace000]

<p>it all depends on perspective.
I remember in China, I once saw a man wearing a Harvard t-shirt at a clubhouse. He was speaking to a lady at the front desk, and he pointed to his shirt and said proudly: “this is where I graduated from”
the lady gave him a funny, confused look.</p>

[iamtbh]

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@Professor101

But if you want to inlcude all schools, I’d rank the US schools’ Chinese Reputation like this:</p>

<p>Harvard
UC Berkeley
MIT
CalTech
Stanford
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Johns Hopkins
Michigan
Cornell
UPenn
UCLA
Chicago
Northwestern

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<p>False. This is how the Chinese rank U.S. universities:</p>

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1 Harvard University Americas 1 1 100 100 100 100 100 74.8 100.0
2 Stanford University Americas 2 2 39 78.7 87.1 67.3 70.1 66.9 73.1
3 University of California, Berkeley Americas 3 3 67.4 77.1 68.4 71.1 69 53.2 71.0
4 University of Cambridge Europe 1 1 89.4 91.5 53.8 53.9 65.4 65.5 70.2
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Americas 4 4 71 80.6 65.7 67.9 62 54.4 69.5
6 California Institute of Technology Americas 5 5 51.5 69.1 57.1 66.2 47.7 100 64.8
7 Columbia University Americas 6 6 70.6 67.7 55.7 49.1 69.6 46.5 61.7
8 Princeton University Americas 7 7 57.8 85.2 61.6 41.5 45.7 61.4 60.2
9 University of Chicago Americas 8 8 65.8 84.3 49.7 38.6 51.6 41.8 57.0
10 University of Oxford Europe 2 2 57.6 57.9 48.9 49.8 66.1 45.7 56.3
11 Yale University Americas 9 9 49.8 43.6 57.6 55.7 62.7 49.5 55.2
12 Cornell University Americas 10 10 40.5 51.3 54.3 51.7 61.2 39.9 53.1
13 University of California, Los Angeles Americas 11 11 23.8 42.8 57.4 50.3 74.5 36.2 52.3
14 University of California, San Diego Americas 12 12 15.5 35.9 60.3 53.9 65.2 48 50.7
15 University of Pennsylvania Americas 13 13 30.9 34.4 57.6 44.1 69 39.8 49.3
16 University of Washington Americas 14 14 25 31.8 53.3 48.8 73.7 28.1 48.0
17 University of Wisconsin - Madison Americas 15 15 37.5 35.5 52.3 39.8 66.7 28.6 46.7
18 University of California, San Francisco Americas 16 16 0 36.8 53.8 49.7 59.9 46.7 45.9
19 The Johns Hopkins University Americas 17 17 44.7 27.8 41.7 49.1 67.1 24.9 45.2
20 The University of Tokyo Asia/Pacific 1 1 34.1 14.1 42.9 49 79.7 34.1 45.1
21 University College London Europe 3 3 30.4 32.2 40.4 45.2 66 36.1 44.6
22 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor Americas 18 18 37.5 0 60.3 41.4 77.3 31.4 43.8
23 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich Europe 4 1 35 36.3 35.9 41.8 52.6 57 43.6
24 Kyoto University Asia/Pacific 2 2 34.6 34.9 38.4 34.6 67.3 31 42.7
25 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Americas 19 19 36.2 36.6 42.9 35.9 59.7 26.8 42.4
26 The Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine Europe 5 4 18.1 37.4 40.4 35.9 61.7 39.4 41.9
27 University of Toronto Americas 20 1 24.4 19.3 39.1 35.1 78.2 27.5 40.5
28 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Americas 21 20 31.4 16.3 49.7 35.3 67.5 24.6 40.4
29 Washington University in St. Louis Americas 22 21 21.9 26 39.1 41.3 55 40.1 39.5
30 Northwestern University Americas 23 22 18.9 18.9 47 34.8 59.1 38.5 38.7
31 Duke University Americas 24 23 18.1 0 47 41.7 63 40 37.1
32 New York University Americas 25 24 33.2 24.5 39.7 33.1 52.9 25.8 36.9
32 Rockefeller University Americas 25 24 19.7 58.6 29 41.9 21.6 37.6 36.9
34 University of Colorado at Boulder Americas 27 26 14.5 30.8 39.1 39.8 45.2 30.6 36.4
35 University of California, Santa Barbara Americas 28 27 0 35.3 41.7 33.8 42.3 35.2 35.0
36 University of British Columbia Americas 29 2 18.1 18.9 31.6 31.3 64.8 23.7 34.4
37 University of Maryland, College Park Americas 30 28 22.5 20 40.4 28.1 53.6 26.1 34.1
38 The University of Texas at Austin Americas 31 29 18.9 16.7 46.5 27.7 54.3 21.6 34.0
39 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Americas 32 30 10.9 16.3 39.1 27 60.4 28.9 33.4
40 Pierre and Marie Curie University - Paris 6 Europe 6 1 35.7 23.6 22.9 27.7 59.3 21.7 33.3
41 The University of Manchester Europe 7 5 23.8 18.9 28.1 28.5 58.3 29.9 33.0
41 Vanderbilt University Americas 33 31 18.1 29.6 31.6 22.1 50.1 36.2 33.0
43 University of Copenhagen Europe 8 1 26.8 24.2 26.2 24.8 54.5 33.2 32.7
43 University of Paris Sud (Paris 11) Europe 8 2 32.5 46.2 14.5 20.1 50.3 23.9 32.7
45 Pennsylvania State University - University Park Americas 34 32 12.2 0 45.9 37.6 56.9 24.1 32.5
46 University of California, Irvine Americas 35 33 0 29.4 37 26.1 48.9 32.8 32.4
46 University of Southern California Americas 35 33 0 26.8 37.7 27 52.8 27.1 32.4
48 The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas Americas 37 35 21.2 33.2 30.8 27.8 39.1 31.1 32.2
49 University of California, Davis Americas 38 36 0 0 46.5 31 62.6 29.9 31.8
50 Karolinska Institute Europe 10 1 26.8 27.3 31.6 19.4 49.6 25.8 31.7
50 University of Pittsburgh Americas 39 37 21.9 0 42.3 24.1 62.6 28.7 31.7

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<p>You underrank Stanford and overrank JHU, Michigan and Northwestern.</p>

[iamtbh]

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@biggspc

rank the following schools please:UVA, michigan, UCLA, UCB, Cornell, UNC, ND, northwestern. feel free to throw mention any other schools out there that would wow a Chinese employer, those are just the schools that im currently most interested in.

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<p>Except for Berkeley, the Chinese do not really know or care about the other schools. Most only know or care about HYPSMC, especially HSM.</p>

[seta]

<p>In China, HSM+UCB are regarded as the 4 powerhouses in the world, and these 4 are in its own league. Yale, oxbridge, and princeton come below.</p>

<p>ARWU is a very good reference for ppl who are interest in the prestiges of world’s universities in Asia, not even in China. It is the most cited rank globally and widely used by a lot of government organizations and universities in the world. </p>

<p>For those who are planning to work in Asia, relevant working experience is the top priority. The brand name wont help you too much, even though you are from one of HYPSM. Because, the local top universities (like Peking U and Tsinghua U) >>>>>> HYPSM in terms of prestige and network.</p>

[iamtbh]

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@seta

For those who are planning to work in Asia, relevant working experience is the top priority. The brand name wont help you too much, even though you are from one of HYPSM. Because, the local top universities (like Peking U and Tsinghua U) >>>>>> HYPSM in terms of prestige and network.

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<p>This is not true in Hong Kong. It may be so in mainland China. But in other parts of Asia, HSM > local universities.</p>

[aabbcc1789]

<p>peking >>>>>tsinghua ;)</p>

[000ace000]

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This is not true in Hong Kong. It may be so in mainland China. But in other parts of Asia, HSM > local universities.

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<p>Prestige and respect =/= networking and connections.
i’m sure the same goes for HKU or HKUST in hongkong.</p>

[seta]

<p>@aabbcc1789,
i would say they are equal, locally. :-)</p>

<p>@iamtbh,
Yes, it might be true in HK, but my point is, for ppl without any connection in Asia, they’d better have relevant working experience, which is more important than where did they graduate from.</p>

[iamtbh]

<p>

@000ace000

Quote:
This is not true in Hong Kong. It may be so in mainland China. But in other parts of Asia, HSM > local universities. </p>

<p>Prestige and respect =/= networking and connections.
i’m sure the same goes for HKU or HKUST in hongkong.

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<p>What are you talking about? The rich and powerful in Hong Kong send their kids abroad to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxbridge, etc. Not only do the elite in Hong Kong avoid the local universities, but also they look down upon them. This is true in many other parts of Asia as well, except for possibly mainland China, not including Shanghai.</p>

[JohnAdams12]

<p>iamtbh how do you know this about Hong Kong and the rest of Asia?</p>

[iamtbh]

<p>I am an interested and informed global citizen. Why do you ask? Actually, I know…but humor me.</p>

[noimagination]

<p>

I am an informed global citizen. Why do you ask? Actually, I know, but humor me.

Can you prove that you are “an informed global citizen”? If not, statistics would help strengthen your generalizations.</p>

[JohnAdams12]

<p>iamtbh, oh…ok…</p>

<p>so you know more about asian citizens and their behaviors than the asian citizens that have been posting on this thread?</p>

<p>what “hat” are you wearing today?</p>