<p>When I first came onto this sight about two weeks ago there was a post stating that today the MMA death rate for sea training stands at 210 (post war). I was shocked at that statistic. My husband thinks I read it wrong but I can't find the thread. Does anyone know which thread it is or why the death rate is so high? I didn't think as officers in training the sea year would be such a risk? Am I confused about something?</p>
<p>Yes...that was basically all from WWII.</p>
<p>According to the post that didn't include WWII. It was the amount of losses due to training.</p>
<p>well during WWII from my understanding, there were 210 MM deaths related to KP (cadets and grads alike) as far as post WWII, i'm not sure, all i know is that accidents do happen and occasionally people do die. i was speaking with an ATR this morning (CDR Flummigan) and he said he hasn't lost any Cadets in the last 10 years. even so, accidents can happen, just like anywhere else. from what i've been told, if you keep your eyes open and pay attention to what you're doing, you shouldn't be in any danger. fear not, your kids are in good hands</p>
<p>Thanks for the assurance. That post has been on the back of my mind since I read it. It did make me a little uneasy. I thought it was 210 not including the war. My husband thought I must have read it wrong.</p>
<p>Ive never seen that link.</p>
<p>142 from wwII according to battle standard</p>
<p>As tugboat captain who worked Mississippi,
Gulf of Mexico and Chesapeake,
I know without doubt that merchant mariners
have more dangerous occupations than most
shoresiders. The sea is both our mother and a devil.</p>
<p>Navigation and engineering is 80%v about getting your vessel and crew to port
safely.</p>
<p>Ive known several men lost to cable breaks and steam pipe bursts.
And many seamen missing fingers and toes.</p>
<p>Doing very rough math,
250 per class times 61 years since the war
equals 15250 cadets.</p>
<p>Between 1 and 2 %</p>
<p>Seems a little high but my math is estimated
and the sea both loves and hates us.</p>
<p>I tend to think this number includes both WW II and since.
Makes pretty reasonable number in my mind.</p>
<p>is2day4him wrote out this song/prayer on church post</p>
<p>Eternal Father strong to save, whose arm has bound the restless wave
who bidds't the mighty ocean deep, its own appointed limits keep
Oh hear us when we cry to thee, for those in peril on the sea</p>
<p>Lord, stand beside all those who sail
our merchant ships in storm and gale
in peace and war their watch they keep
on every sea on thy vast deep
be with them Lord, by night and day
for Merchant Mariners we pray.</p>
<p>With their training and vigor, and our prayers,
our KP'ers are as safer and better prepared then any mariners,
anywhere in the history of the world.</p>
<p>well there are 210 from WWII, the 142 were Mids/Cadets. the other were grads and whatnot.<br>
the sea is unforgiving and thus takes claim to some unfortunate souls, however, with STCW requirements, and modern technology and one heck of a Coast Guard, that number has dropped.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say SUPERMANSMOM
that quote</p>
<p>"According to the post that didn't include WWII. It was the amount of losses due to training"</p>
<p>Is ABSOLUTELY WRONG</p>
<p>supermansmom, here's a link to the history of the battle standard.
<a href="http://www.usmma.edu/parents/BattleStandard.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.usmma.edu/parents/BattleStandard.htm</a></p>
<p>Perhaps you'd read a post where folks were talking about the topic above? I dunno. I haven't seen any post on these boards where someone had said that there were 210 deaths in recent times. I'm sure someone would have been all over that with a ruler to their knuckles if they typed such a thing. :) Just thought I'd put up the little bit of history I knew of to maybe help the huge worry become a smaller one.</p>
<p>Ok moms (and dads), stop worrying. Your child has a better chance of getting killed in a car accident than they do during sea year....this from the mom who worries about everything LOL.</p>
<p>Well I sure rather be wrong on this than right. But since it was nagging at me I decided to post and see what the facts were. Thanks all.</p>
<p>Its good you'd asked instead of letting it needle away at you. I'm sorry you had worried. Smile today! You're going to have an official Plebe soon & have to make all new address labels, throwing away the ones that say Plebe Candidate. :)</p>
<p>My son's admission rep said that the last cadet lost was in the early to mid '90s, when his son was there ('96 grad). The cadet fell from a ladder on a ship. I don't know the stats before that except for WWII, never heard that 200+ number you quoted. I know there have been no losses since that '90s incident. My s also said that sailing is one of the most dangerous jobs, but again as already mentioned I think there is a greater chance of death in an auto accident. You just can't worry about this or you'll go nuts.</p>
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<p>If my memory serves me correct his name is the one on the bench next to the steps of the chapel.</p>
<p>My husband thinks I'm nuts but I guess I'm acting like a mother. But then again my son before he left for Indoc made me watch the movie "The Guardian" with the rescue swimmers. He said to me, "I would love to do that". I think I better be happy he is going to be on a ship on top of the sea, not diving into it.</p>
<p>Don't worry, Mrs. Kent, all the Navy and CG rescue swimmer billets are enlisted. And the pilots, had it been real, would have been courts martialled several times.</p>