<p>I don't think that was very necessary at all, and perhaps a bit immature on your part.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusion%5B/url%5D">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusion</a></p>
<p>Lol at firewalker</p>
<p>Thanks for further proving my point.</p>
<p>"I love you enough to completely give myself to you physically, but I don’t love you enough to give myself to you in marriage"</p>
<p>OR, ever thought about this, maybe it's saying "I love you and I want to express my love in a a physical way, and maybe we will get married but not at this point in our lives" ...?</p>
<p>There are many people, myself included, who don't plan on getting married until their late 20s/early 30s, but who are in loving, committed relationships. </p>
<p>You need to grow up a bit.</p>
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<p>What are you? ****ing 10 years old?
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<p>See: <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html</a> </p>
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<p>There are many people, myself included, who don't plan on getting married until their late 20s/early 30s, but who are in loving, committed relationships. </p>
<p>You need to grow up a bit.
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<p>As a matter of fact, I have thought about it, and it's that "maybe" that's the killer, that missing extra step of commitment. I don't doubt that you can have a loving, committed relationship outside of marriage, but marriage is that final step of commitment that takes it to another level. Sex is not the only way to express affection physically.
I respect your right to disagree with me, but I stand by what I said before (this time in someone elses words): This is because the total physical self-giving would be a lie if it were not the fruit and sign of a total personal self-giving, made possible only in marriage.
To make something clear, I consider this conversation as me expressing and defending my views, and you doing the same for yours. I have no desire to pass laws against sex outside of marriage because I do believe that you have the right and free will to choose what to do with your body; however, to clarify from a previous discussion Ive had in this thread, I believe that abortion should be illegal because I believe that human life begins at conception, and therefore abortion is infringement on another persons rights; specifically, their life.</p>
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<p>How ironic.</p>
<p>Arghhhhh! So, spooch, are you saying that you need a ring and contract to prove your love to someone? Are you saying this love is invalid unless those two are present?? This is ridiculous.... And if you truly support your opinion, does it mean you yourself are married? Or you haven't met your "love"? And if you haven't... how can you talk in such a convinced manner about love and what it means and what makes it a "true love"? </p>
<p>And about abortions.... The reason they shouldn't be illegal, but a matter of choice, is that even I can tell you how a woman can make an abortion at a risk for her own life and future fertility...but still an abortion. Do you think this is the better option? "Home-made abortions"? The law can ban doctors from aborting babies, it can't stop women from aborting their babies, and this is fact.</p>
<p>NO! Im not talking about love, Im talking about commitment, which are two very different things which can still go hand in hand. You can definitely have true love outside of marriage (thats how many people decide they want to get married to each other) but marriage and sex together seal the commitment.
About making abortions illegal: some people will be desperate enough to still go through with it, but making it illegal will raise the marginal cost for others, who will then choose not to do it and instead find, literally, more viable alternatives. Passing a law against something does not mean everyone will abide by it
drugs, anyone? But its enough to stop some people from doing it, and in the case of abortion, those lives are worth it.</p>
<p>true love...haha, just thought of something...wonder what Miracle Max would have to say on the subject</p>
<p>What do you think Miracle Max would say?</p>
<p>^was that sincere or sarcastic?</p>
<p>Miracle Max would become suddenly dislexic and pretend that he could not understand what you had written, obviously.</p>
<p>Anyways, I think that it's a real shame that people can't get past the desire to impose their own religious beliefs on the rest of the world and recognize that this is a societal problem from a practical standpoint. Why can't we all stop arguing about whether it is morally acceptable for college students to have sex or not, and just remember that they are going to, no matter what the rest of us say or believe?</p>
<p>^ "dislexic" - was that intentional?</p>
<p>[quoute=highlead]Oh give me a break. How much does an aspirin cost? Put it between your knees. She is going to have to cut her cable bill to afford her birth control pills and this is a need the federal government must meet?
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<p>I agree. The government doesn't need to get involved. Come on! So, she can't watch cable while she has sex with a stranger big deal</p>
<p>The government wasn't involved in the first place.</p>
<p>"The Deficit Reduction Act was enacted with the intention of decreasing taxpayers' burden of Medicaid and Medicare costs while curbing government spending for those programs, according to a White House press release. </p>
<p>A stipulation of the act requires pharmaceutical companies to offer the drug discounts available to college health centers to all pharmacies that serve Medicaid and Medicare patients. As a result, the pharmaceutical companies have cut out discounts all together, MSNBC reports said." </p>
<p>hotpiece101 is right - the gov't getting involved via the DRA is what started it (this statement isn't meant to be politically charged, just a statement of fact)</p>
<p>So, while you may think that a newly formed embryo is a life, others may think that a baby is a life when (and only when) it's heart begins to beat much later in the pregnancy. Post #175</p>
<p>Hotpiece: the baby's heart begins to beat at or before the third week of pregnancy. Many women do not even recognize they are pregnant at that stage.</p>
<p>interesting, i didn't know that fencersmother. but the argument remains the same. some people don't think a baby is alive until it is born, so to them, abortion isn't murder. and since no one has come up with a universally accepted definition of when life begins, opinions are all that we have.</p>
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<p>I was thinking something more along the lines of "There's nothing in the world greater than true love,except a nice MLT--mutton, lettuce, and tomato sandwich, when the mutton is nice and lean and the lettuce is crispy..."
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<p>"Eh? What's that? To blave?"</p>