<p>Now you understand how SC started the Civil War. Same mentality. Read any Pat Conroy novel (Citadel alum) and you will understand.</p>
<p>Let’s quit acting as if the Citadel is one of this nation’s military academies. It’s not. As was noted multiple times during the debate over the admission of women, the overwhelming majority of Citadel grads do NOT go on to active duty service in the military. While those numbers are undoubtedly higher than an average university, the Citadel is essentially a college for right-wing Southern kids to go play soldier for a few years before going back to suburban Atlanta to be accountants.</p>
<p>At least they don’t go to NYC to be investment bankers like many PU grads. Now those folks were dangerous to our economy.</p>
<p>LOL Sh60614!</p>
<p>Incidentally, I’ve met VMI students who don’t have a very high opinion of The Citadel.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter who spat on whom, a decent human being does NOT spit on another human being.</p>
<p>And the name “citadel” sounds kind of like some sort of prison. I hope the school has no association whatsoever with the hedge fund(?) sharing the same name, the citadel group.</p>
<p>[Citadel</a> responds to University Band fracas - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/24/21499/]Citadel”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/24/21499/)</p>
<p>justamomof4 (post 60):
It happened on the way to the game, so I doubt that the insults from Princeton had taken place by then.</p>
<p>I actually read the much-touted Citadel honor code: there are 4 “and only 4” violations, and this situation doesn’t seem to fit any of them. The president’s comments were more fanny-covering than institution-upholding.</p>
<p>It doesn’t seem to be contested that the Citadel students acted as charged; the only question seems to be what, if anything, the Princeton kids did relative to the pre-game blockade and physical stuff. I don’t really care about the booing (although I don’t like it)</p>
<p>As far as the UM/OSU rivalry goes - the one you are okay with - the common tactic is to insult the female members of the band with things like “look at what a fat pig she is!” That’s to a young girl’s face. Are you okay with that?</p>
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<p>Oh, you mean like a cadet approaches the band, speaks to the band leader, explains that one is traditionally not supposed to walk on this road as a mark of respect, and asks the band to take another route?</p>
<p>Or is the only outcome spitting and hurling homophobic slurs?</p>
<p>The Citadel cadets behaved like the very worst image people have of them: musclebound, not very bright boys playing soldier.</p>
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<p>I really don’t understand this remark at all. Are you saying that the presidential candidates had something to do with this incident? (Certainly we know which candidate would be likely to spit on people and hurl homophobic insults, judging by his willingness to call his wife the c-word in public and make jokes at large public gatherings calling an innocent 18-yr-old girl “ugly.” The other candidate is a gentleman.)</p>
<p>MSUDad, I am happier and happier that I attended a college and university that did not have football teams.</p>
<p>From article referenced in post #66:
“Cadet John Bethmann said in an e-mail that the cadets were acting in self-defense. “When they started running around OUR parade deck and on the stairs of OUR church, they pushed the envelope too far,” he said.”</p>
<p>In other words “We reserve the right to interpret the actions of others, and respond in whatever manner we feel is appropriate.” </p>
<p>The only thing missing here is “Da*ned shame we weren’t armed, so we could really defend ourselves.” </p>
<p>Funny, I don’t recall any of this attitude in the many military officers I served with.</p>
<p>MSUDad -
Allow me to be clear - I do NOT condone any of it. </p>
<p>I have read some blogs with first hand information by those who were there and the story is a little different. I am sure that both sides blew some things out of proportion and stories are a little slanted depending on the perspective of the writer. This goes with the territory.
It appears that the incident lasted but a few minutes and was brought under control very quickly by TAC’s and officers at the Citadel. It also could be difficult to determine who made the first contact with whom since the cadets were standing their ground and the Band marched into them.</p>
<p>That said - the only things that anyone can say was inappropriate by the cadets would have been physical contact, including spitting.
You can’t be critical of the cadets booing and jeering nor standing their ground.</p>
<p>I do NOT condone what the Citadel cadets did, nor do I find funny that the Princeton Band would go onto another campus and make fun, bully and attempt to humliate another student body. Or any other band for that matter. I am probably just too old to “get it”.</p>
<p>The rules for behavior are not in the honor code. What is covered is their behavior after when they are brought up for charges - they shall not lie.
Hence, if asked about their part then they must not lie or tolerate lies from another cadet.</p>
<p>I do think the situation could have been prevented. The administration at the Citadel could have been proactive.</p>
<p>The Princeton Band at the end of the game continued to play loudly and raucously as the Citadel cadets lowered the colors. There was disrespect all around.</p>
<p>Obviously, it would have been much better if the Citadel Cadets had simply stood their ground silently and allowed the Princeton Band to mock them, mock their school, hurl insults, tromp all over statues and deface a memorial to those who were KIA in the GWOT. That didn’t happen but if it had happened it would not have been news.</p>
<p>Here is another article:</p>
<p>[Princeton</a> Band Provokes Angry Citadel Response - The Paper Trail (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response.html]Princeton”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/09/24/princeton-band-provokes-angry-citadel-response.html)</p>
<p>It is saddening that so much disrespect is tolerated as harmless prank. From what I gleaned above, the Princeton band must have been implying that the Citadel students engage in homosexual acts (“humping” each other), and the Citadel students booed, threatened and spit upon the Princeton students in retaliation and for invading their turf. Why do we tolerate actions that appeal to the lowest-common-denominator of human life by those who are supposed to make us proudest? I think it is pathetic on the part of both colleges.</p>
<p>After reading all the debates and comments, I’ve gotta say that this seems more like a reflection on today’s college students than just the Citadel. I think it can vary significantly between schools (texas a&m vs …wellesley), but for the most part everything about this entire situation just seems all too familiar. The reason stories like these make the press are because they cross the line into physical violence/property destruction/spitting/extremely offensive language. I see the potential for that to happen a lot at the college I attend (although it almost always doesn’t), and where my friends attend (I visit them occasionally). It just seems more like an issue of probability. With all these situations occurring all the time at college campuses, every once in a while one is going to flare out of control. It depends on the mentality of students at a school somewhat, but for the most part it’s up to chance.</p>
<p>One situation I find especially troublesome at my large state U: take a bunch of drunk students, crowded together in a few particular sections at a football game, then have a wise-you know what kid wearing the colors of the opposing team come over and get a seat right in the middle of those students. Then take the football tradition of everyone pointing and chanting a-hole (except the full version) repeatedly at that student, and you have a situation that could get out of control very quickly.</p>
<p>If we look at the two sides individually, it represents two different facets of my generation’s shortcomings–our lack of decency, and our lack of self-control.</p>
<p>But with that said, in this situation the blame is on the Citadel students. They can’t pass the blame to Princeton, to their generation, to self-defense, or to standing up for their turf.</p>
<p>They do that at Maryland too? I thought that was a UW thing.;-)</p>
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<p>Ditto. Only I’m actually presently attending a school where they have to shower students with gifts to get them to show up to sports games, and people still don’t bother.</p>
<p>^^^ Oh now, that’s just blasphemy :)</p>