Princeton or Rice?

<p>OK, so I'll be making a much more extensive post later on this, but for now I'll do this short one.</p>

<p>I'm going to be majoring in Physics probably, but I have a wide range of interests, scattered throughout the liberal arts.</p>

<p>I've visited both Rice and Princeton, and focused on talking to as many groups of people as possible, which turned out to be about 30-50 students at each school, mostly freshmen/sophmores.</p>

<p>A couple things stuck out to me in particular.</p>

<p>At Princeton, academics looked absolutely amazing. Not only did they have world leaders in all subjects, but they require all underclassmen to do research in a Physics major. In Rice, academics were certainly strong, but the resources were lacking in comparison, and I was basically told that it is more or less impossible for a undergraduate to do research beyond scrubbing flasks in the lab. Also, it seems that Princeton is stronger across the board, and that it would probably be much easier to pursue my other interests there then at Rice -- not only does Pton facilitate late major changes, but they only require about 1/3 of your classes be in your major -- as opposed to about 2/3 at Rice. Academics are especially important to me; I don't just want to go to college to get that piece of paper -- I really want to learn as much about as many things as I can, and above all learn to "think" clearer, more objectively, better.</p>

<p>However, you know how people talk about that feeling that you get when you're on the right campus, it just feels right and perfect, that elusive gut feeling? I got that feeling at Rice, but not at Princeton. I felt the difference pretty much from the time I set foot on both the campuses, until the moment I left. Also, at Rice, I meshed with the people much better, I think. It felt very warm and very inviting socially, and I the people just seemed like my kin. Also, people talk about Rice being nerdy, but I felt that was somewhat unfounded -- yes, nerdier than my high school, but less so, but not nearly as much as Harvey Mudd or U. of Chicago. Further, I like nerdiness to some extent. At Princeton, there seemed to be just as much nerdiness as at Rice, but on the whole, people seemed like average teenagers, which is a bad thing for me -- I meshed with people there about as well as I would expect to mesh with a random selection of college kids -- not really the connection that I felt at Rice. A theory that I have on this is that the pool of kids who apply to Rice is self-selecting, whereas everyone and their grandma applies to Princeton.</p>

<p>I think that I perhaps may be exagering both of these things. Academics are naturally going to feel superior at Princeton, because it's got the big name and the big name people. Also, I think I may have been naturally initially close-minded to Princeton students: I was all hyped up on Rice, and wanted it to be better than Princeton (I naturally try to go against what people generally believe to be true, smug that I'm smarter than all those fools who go with the masses).</p>

<p>Anyway, I've got the two end-all decision makers going against each other on this one: the academics and opportunities seem better at one, whereas the other had a better "feel" and "atmosphere".</p>

<p>So, what do you think?</p>

<p>Well, I guess it wasn't so short after all -- I'll still make a much longer post later.</p>

<p>"whereas everyone and their grandma applies to Princeton."</p>

<p>but not everyone and their grandma get admitted.</p>

<p>You'd be surprised how much going in with preconceived notions can do to a college visit. The fact that you went in wanting to like Rice more than Princeton says you should go to Rice since, like you said, you feel more at home there. I definitely wouldn't say that Princeton students are "more average" than Rice students, or that a large portion of students at Princeton aren't self-selecting (heck...about half of the class of '09 will be from ED, which is a self-selecting admissions process).</p>

<p>That said, Rice is a great school. It's got great academics, great people (a good friend of mine goes there and loves it), and is in a great city. So more power to you, and should you choose to go, have a great four years at Rice :) But look at Princeton a little more...you'd be surprised what you'd find out about the quality of life and amazing student body there.</p>

<p>princeton is definitely self-selecting, it doesnt have the general prestige as harvard/yale and as a result, it has much lower number of applicants each year. </p>

<p>but go where u will be happy, i wouldn't sacrifice happiness for academics</p>

<p>Yeah, you should go where you'd feel comfortable, but you really should think about how your preconceptions may have jaded you during your stay on campus. Personally, I came to princeton with a very open mind, and when I got to campus, I felt like the students were warmer than on any other campus I'd visited. Also, there are of course all different kinds of people--not just "regular-acting" people, and not just "nerds." That's pretty cool, I think. You're not just housed with science geeks/math nerds, but all sorts of people, and you'll definitely fall in with the element you feel comfortable with on campus. Trust me, it's Princeton: there will be plenty of nerds (including me). </p>

<p>As for "self-selecting", shrek is right. Princeton's applicants are traditionally extremely well-qualified as a group. As a matter of fact, the college selectivity rankings factor out the self-selecting element when they make their rankings, and Princeton ranks higher than any school save MIT in selectivity.</p>

<p>If you got into Princeton, go there. Keep in mind that there is life after college, and you will always remember where you were undergraduate. Princeton is the greatest of the great, and you will not think - but KNOW - that you got the best undergraduate education the world has to offer.</p>

<p>No regrets - go with Princeton. Besides, my sister goes there and she loves it.</p>

<p>(And about Princeton having fewer applicants - technically, that's true, but because it's far smaller than Harvard and Yale, it has a basically identical admissions percentage, it being at about nine point something or other.)</p>

<p>I have yet to visit Princeton but when I visited Rice I thought it was amazing. I really liked their dorm system and the Martel (Duncan? something like that) hall is SO gorgeous, the crazy colors and stuff. The campus and the students seemed really welcoming and I liked it alot. Only downside was I'm from Dallas and Houston really doesn't compare in my opinion, I'm just spoiled I guess. So I didn't like Houston too much.... but I think if you got that gut feeling at Rice you should go there, it's an awesome school, but do whatever you want!</p>

<p>i'm in exactly the same boat. while i haven't been able to visit rice since i was admitted, i did get that 'gut feeling' while i was initially there. still, is that enough to pass up princeton??</p>

<p>let's keep the advice coming!</p>

<p>You can't compare Rice and Princeton. If $ is no object, Princeton is Princeton and Rice is just Rice. They both are fine schools though.</p>