The results are in, sadly…we are not… But that doesn’t mean we aren’t rejected either…?
Confusing times indeed. Lets share our views and see if we are able to clear out the confusions and doubts all of us surely harbour.
well personally i do not even know how to feel about this
i mean, this is basically a polite rejection, if not anything else
am a bit concerned and confused about the letter of interest though
also, it’d be great if people could state their credentials and/or the reason they think they were deferred and not outright accepted or even rejected.
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So I actually have an interesting theory. I believe there are 2 deferrals: polite rejections, and possible deferrals. There are always some students who have excellent stats and extracurriculars but who were just not at the top of the extremely competitive SCEA pool. There are always some students deferred, I think, because the strength of the RD pool has yet to be judged. For example, an average applicant might be deferred and have a 0% chance of getting in RD, but a student who has also been deferred but has shining EC’s and shows interest and commitment might be at the top of the RD pool, in which case they would be a sure acceptance.
However, over 80% of applicants are deferred, it is impossible to know for sure.
Exactly!
The huge number in the amount of people who are deferred clearly indicates that most of them are probably just rejects…
That, in my view, is more harrowing than an outright rejection…
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Well I also got deferred I am an international student with only 1310 on the SAT so let’s hope for the best
I wish there were stats for how many deferrals turn to admits in RD. I wonder if deferral really is a soft rejection. Not be be negative but… On to the next applications in any case.
Reading this article made me feel better. Just thought I’d share it with you fellow heartbroken students: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6490039/amp/Princeton-grad-quits-interviewing-applicants-Ivy-League-schools-prefer-rich-connected.html
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Low-key depressed rn haha. It sucks putting so much heart, time, and effort into an application and not being accepted. Especially when I feel like my application was second to none and of the best quality. I have national awards, my essays were extremely good, and my letters of recommendation were incredible. Who knows, maybe I’ll get accepted in the spring.
@iiRoMii Colleges need to have a well-balanced, diverse student body. I believe that for many applicants whose applications may have been truly exceptional and worthy of admission, the limited spaces available did not allow for them to be admitted in the early round.
For example here is what happens if you are a white male:
(Note: this is assuming that the ratios of diversity along with gender are equal)
For 743 Accepted:
50% Ethnic + 10% International = 60% of admitted students:
→ (743)(0.40) = ~297 spots left
51% Female:
→ (297)(0.49) = ~146 spots left
- these statistics do not include recruited athletes or legacies
This means there are only 146 available spots for a white male to be accepted. These 146 spots include recruited athletes and legacies, which makes the percentage chance to get in much, much lower. And when the majority of past classes are white, the 17% of accepted students (who are legacies) is most likely comprised of predominantly white students.
This makes me feel a little less hurt with my deferral.
@wrturner3 Colleges need to have a well-balanced, diverse student body. I believe that for many applicants whose applications may have been truly exceptional and worthy of admission, the limited spaces available did not allow for them to be admitted in the early round.
For example here is what happens if you are a white male:
(Note: this is assuming that the ratios of diversity along with gender are equal)
For 743 Accepted:
50% Ethnic + 10% International = 60% of admitted students:
→ (743)(0.40) = ~297 spots left
51% Female:
→ (297)(0.49) = ~146 spots left
- these statistics do not include recruited athletes or legacies
This means there are only 146 available spots for a white male to be accepted. These 146 spots include recruited athletes and legacies, which makes the percentage chance to get in much, much lower. And when the majority of past classes are white, the 17% of accepted students (who are legacies) is most likely comprised of predominantly white students.
This makes me feel a little less hurt with my deferral.
Well what do you guys think
What chances do you have of getting in after the deferral?
In my case, I’d say that my application did seem to come quite close to those of the ones who were admitted and all…so idk…
this did give me a little hope and comfort lol
you guys can check it out as well
Hey guys. Today, the decisions came out. A majority of us (as usual) were deferred. It was quite sad to read the news at first, but its been a few hours (maybe a little early) so there’s been some time to let it sink in.
First of all, let me say that the odds are slim, very slim in fact, but you haven’t been completely rejected if you have been deferred. As per one of my favorite quotes of all time, “As long as there is a 1% Chance, we’ll have 99% Faith.”
So I made this thread for anyone who has any tips or helpful advice or guide on what to do after a deferral from Princeton, (LOCLs, Updates, Emails, Counselor talks etc.) to help anyone who wants to pursue this dream.
Thanks! and hang in there, we’re gonna get through this. Good luck for Round 2!
does anyone know the percentage of people deferred who get in? of course i’ve heard stories about it but with an 85% deferral rate it’s hard to know where anyone stands
@wrturner3 You should read the book the article mentions and you will realize what a long shot elite colleges are for anyone who isn’t rich, an athlete, or connected: The Price of Admission. I read it recently, and while it is a few years old, most still applies. Coincidentally, I read about the Harvard lawsuit only days later, confirming the content of the book.
Congratulations to those students who were accepted.
If you were deferred, please see this about Harvard, as I imagine the percentage is about the same at Princeton: http://www.boston.com/news/education/2015/12/11/harvard-accepts-record-low-percentage-of-early-applicant
As difficult as it is to accept — a deferral is as good as a rejection. If you can wrap your head around that fact, you’ll be in a much better frame of mind to embrace the colleges that actually accept and want you!
Of course, you can try to have your guidance counselor contact Admissions and find out why you were deferred. Will it do any good? (Most likely not.) Sure, you can write an update letter to Admissions. Will it do any good? (Most likely not.) Yes, you can try to get another teacher to write you a recommendation letter. Will it do any good? (Most likely not.) Sure, you can write another essay that’s better than the ones you’ve already submitted. Will it do any good? (Most likely not.)
Best of luck to everyone whatever you decide to do, or whatever school you ultimately will attend.
Do you guys think that coming from a tiny, Midwest town and being the first student from my HS to ever have the ability to go to an Ivy League school would help my chances for admission in the regular decision round?
I really do think that if a deferred applicant manages to make a large scale impact or do something big before the RD round and update their app, gets another letter of recommendation, and keeps on expressing their interest, they would be given another big chance in their RD around.
The data with the 2.3% of applicants is relatively skewed if you think about it. It’s Harvard University, which enrolls 6700 people a year at around a 5% acceptance rate. If they defer around 75-80% of applicants out of a pool of 7000, and then accept 2% of thsoe, that’s 120 people out of the 1700 enrolled, which is close to 7%. This shows that not all hope is lost for a deferred applicant in the context of a regular pool. Another big reason is that people give up and commit to other schools when thinking of an ivy.
Work hard, make a difference, keep at it. Maybe you could get lucky you never know. However, also do not base your entire admissions around this.
I’m doing a science fair research project that i wasn’t able to put in my application because I haven’t completed it yet. Also, I have written poems that received multiple state awards and even a 3rd place national award that I didn’t submit in my application (I noted these accomplishments in my applicstion, but didn’t submit them as a Creative Writing supplement). Im going to write a letter of continued interest and include this information in the letter, while also submitting the poems separately as a supporting document.
@xmas19 omg congrats. that’s amazing! i wish i could do some of that. I haven’t really ever been an awards person but i try to do my best to stand out for things i am passionate about. i finally managed to get my Non Profit Marketing Consulting Firm off the ground, and we raised $1000s of dollars for our first two clients which i am extremely proud of.
I am also applying to some competitions to try and gain some awards this christmas, hopefully trying to hear good news! wish me luck. I will also send a letter of interest as well as talk to my counselor.