<p>Alright, let's hear it then.
For an (international) undergrad wanting a liberal arts education and not quite knowing what to major in.</p>
<p>As far as I've heard, P is rated higher in terms of undergrad experience - but Harvard still has its international prestige - and is a more enjoyable, sociable campus; the flipside of that, of course, is that it may not be as academically driven as its crimson counterpart.</p>
<p>My own personal bias is reflected by which forum I put this in :P but my family seems sure that H is the way to go. </p>
<p>There is another Princeton - Harvard thread on the College Search forum. In just the last few years, the change in financial aide and the increase in applications has shifted the equation of both schools to their role in highlighting and enhancing the personal qualities and skills of those who go there. It's the qualities and skills that set the trajectory of the careers of their students. For the students, the difference is more in what kind of stories play out in each school. They are remarkably different - Harvard is much more catch as catch can - gritty. Princeton is uber chill, supportive, live and let live.</p>
<p>HARVARD is the BEST UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD.
Princeton is not well known outside of US ( maybe outside of East Coast ). Princeton
undergrad are doing poorly on top graduate school admisssion compared to Harvard.
Harvard Law admitted 290 Harvard undergrad while admitteing 50 princeton ugrad.
Yale Law admitted 70 Harvard ugrad while admitting 22 Princeton Undergrad.<br>
Columbia Law admitted 80 from Harvard and 25 from Princeton
US politics, wall streets, science, math, and other academic discipline are all dominated by Harvard.
Princeton is like second class Ivy compared to Harvard.</p>
<p>Why do you say Princeton is worse in math and science? I mean, you should remember that Harvard law admits many harvard undergrads cause it is HARVARD law. And, Harvard is much bigger than Princeton.</p>
<p>Of course, I don't know much about how humanistic subjects rank between the schools, but I know that as far as math and physics, we seem to be on AT LEAST level ground.</p>
<p>What year are those stats from jomjom, and do you have a link? Do you think the numbers have anything to do with the fact that a typical Harvard graduating class has more than 400 more students than a Princeton class, or that more Harvard students apply to law school than Princeton students? I feel bad for you that your Math education has been severely limited, because only someone with rudimentary math skills would throw insignificant numbers around like that. Princeton could really help you with that.</p>
<p>""Why do you say Princeton is worse in math and science?""<br>
Harvard finished first place in Putnam Math Competition 26 times. Princeton
has won Putnam only ONCE. That is 26 vs 1.</p>
<p>"you should remember that Harvard law admits many harvard undergrads cause it is HARVARD law"
That is why Harvard is the best. Princeton does not even have law school and Princeton Ugrad is at great disadvantage when applying to law school. </p>
<p>Even Yale Law admits much more Harvard students, admitting about 70 from Harvard and 24 from Princeton. I don't think Harvard Undergrad 3 times bigger.<br> Law</a> School Students</p>
<p>[\quote '''Do you think the numbers have anything to do with the fact that a typical Harvard graduating class has more than 400 more students than a Princeton class, or that more Harvard students apply to law school than Princeton students? I feel bad for you that your Math education has been severely limited,"" quote]</p>
<p>Really ?<br>
At Harvard law : 288 from Harvard vs. 50 from Princeton.
That is 5 times more from Harvard. Do you think Harvard is 5 times bigger than Princeton ? or 5 time more student apply to Law school ?
At Yale law 70 vs. 22 that is about 3 times more from Harvard.
Columbia Law 80 vs 25 that is 3.5 times more from Harvard. </p>
<p>Do you really think 3-5 times more students from Harvard are applying to Law School ?</p>
<p>As I have discussed on another thread, grade deflation at Princeton would likely hurt Princeton's admission rate to T14 law schools since it is so numbers driven. I read somewhere that 75% of Harvard grads are cum laude.</p>
<p>lol jomjom, so the Putnam says everything? Plus, Princeton won the Putnam recently - doesn't that say something about our math department now? Also, its not like we sucked in all Putnam competitions - I'm pretty sure we did pretty well in other Putnam competitions. There are plenty of other competitions or awards that I'm sure Princeton has done historically better with. </p>
<p>As to my input on the Harvard vs Princeton debate, I say that both are fantastic schools, and anyone choosing between them should not choose on the basis of "this one has a better math/physics department." From what I know with friends at most other great colleges in the country, there is little difference.</p>
<p>I think you should ask yourself where YOU feel more comfortable. As you said in your op, you feel drawn to P over H. Therein lies your answer. Good luck! You have a wonderful problem, you know that?</p>
<p>jomjom is a troll. For some unknown reason, Princeton attracts more trolls than elsewhere. I figure it's the way Princeton refuses to get into a deep rivalry. You will see when you get there. There isn't the big Harvard-Yale stuff going on.</p>
<p>As for H v. P in real life vs. troll life? If you don't know what you want to major in, then it comes down to the intangibles. Harvard has a tad more prestige. Undeniable. But for the choice? It's about suburban vs. urban, and smaller vs. bigger, and the eating clubs vs. the Harvard social life. Also rooming. Harvard has freshman housing and then the blocking groups to form. Princeton has residential colleges/ 4 year or 2 year. If you do know what you want to major in, Harvard wins some Princeton wins some, some are tied.</p>
<p>Of course there is no wrong answer to this.
To me, Princeton undergrad, Harvard grad is Nirvana.
You should be so lucky as to be able to choose.</p>
<p>I completely agree with Princeton undergrad, Harvard grad. I applied to both, and I think (if I was blessed with the option of choosing, let alone get into just ONE of them) I would choose Princeton for this reason.</p>
<p>As was pointed out in another post, in recent years many of Princeton’s top students have chosen careers in finance and consulting. For the class of 2008, 288 students reported that they would be employed in financial services or other services (primarily consulting) upon graduation compared to only 28 who said they would go directly to law school.</p>
<p>What about for Undergraduate Economics? Princeton is better than MIT and Harvard in this category, right? I understand that we have Paul Krugmann and all, but I've been hearing people say that MIT and Harvard have better UnderGraduate Economics programs than Princeton. Also, does Princeton's relatively small endowment factor in a lot?</p>