Princeton vs. Stanford

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<p>PrincetonDreams, what Stanford bashing are you talking about?</p>

<p>my only comments about Stanford, which is one of my favorite schools, is to correct the false and misleading statements that have been made by phanta in the last week or so.</p>

<p>The endless stream of ridiculous statements coming from the above poster is enough to make one’s head spin. Jasapo, who has now appeared on the Princeton boards under at least half a dozen different screen names over the last two years, seems single-minded in distorting the truth.</p>

<p>Here are the facts.</p>

<p>The percentage of Princeton students heading to law and medical school after graduation is quite similar to that found at its peers. Jasapo’s claim that there are 150 Stanford undergraduates who matriculate at law school immediately after their senior year is wildly and irresponsibly inaccurate. </p>

<p>While I could find no exact tallies of the total number for Stanford, the links shown below provide enough information for some close estimates. Interestingly, while Princeton is quite open in reporting these numbers and provides them in great detail, it is almost impossible to find similar reporting from Harvard, Yale or Stanford.</p>

<p>According to the most recently available graduating student survey for Stanford, 18 students reported that they were planning to attend law school after graduation. </p>

<p>[Career</a> Development Center - Career Plans and Graduate Schools | Student Affairs](<a href=“http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc/identify/alumni-grad-school]Career”>http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc/identify/alumni-grad-school)</p>

<p>There are, however, a couple of caveats here. Stanford is reporting these numbers for the combination of all graduates from both the undergraduate school and the masters programs. For the year these statistics are being reported, there were 1,672 undergraduate degrees conferred and 2,068 masters degrees. </p>

<p>[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2010-2011](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/2010.html#degrees]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/2010.html#degrees)</p>

<p>If we assume that the split among these 18 reportedly heading to law school is the same ratio as that of undergraduate to masters degree students, then approximately 8 Stanford undergraduates headed to law school immediately after graduation. This number also needs readjusting. In fact, only 30% of undergraduates filled out the post-graduation survey. If we assume (generously) that the students in the 70% who did not fill out the survey were equally successful in their post graduation options, then there might be as many as 27 Stanford undergraduates headed to law school after graduation. Twenty-seven future lawyers out of a class of 1,672 is approximately 1.6%. </p>

<p>Last year’s graduating class at Princeton (with nearly 100% of the seniors reporting their plans) sent approximately 25 students to law school (10.7 percent of the 236 who reported firm plans for continuing their educations). Out of a class of 1,166, that’s 2.1% of the class.</p>

<p>Anyone who doubts these figures might look at the similar statistics for Harvard and Yale.</p>

<p>At Harvard, the class that graduated in 2010 sent 23% of its 1,539 seniors to graduate or professional school. (That compares to 24.4% for the same year at Princeton.) Assuming that the division among PhD and professional schools was about the same at Harvard as at Princeton, then about 354 Harvard students continued their educations and presumably, about 10 or 11% (i.e. about 35 or so) of those went directly to law school. In other words, the percentages at Harvard and Stanford are virtually identical to those at Princeton.</p>

<p>[OCS-Students:</a> Jobs / Senior Survey 2009](<a href=“http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/students/jobs/seniorsurvey.htm]OCS-Students:”>http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/students/jobs/seniorsurvey.htm)</p>

<p>Yale does not seem to report exact statistics either. However, one available survey of current activities of the Class of 2008 one year after graduation, shows that 23% were enrolled in post graduate study, again, virtually identical to the numbers at Princeton, Harvard and Stanford.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W039_YC_PostGrad_Activities.pdf[/url]”>http://www.yale.edu/oir/open/pdf_public/W039_YC_PostGrad_Activities.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I would like to add, however, that jasapo (a poster who has been dedicated to bashing Princeton for some time) is not the only badly behaving CC poster here. The aggressive behavior and exaggerations of one of the above posters who claims to have graduated from Princeton should be condemned as well.
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<p>For any of you who might be confused by my previous post, it refers to another post that had preceded it which no longer exists.</p>

<p>^^^^correct</p>

<p>japanoko is not jasapo</p>

<p>jasapo is “germancar”, the Princeton hater</p>

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<p>and who are you referring to here?</p>