Princeton's Progress

<p>The numbers came from the Princeton Review and I understand it is based on those actually enrolled, but could be mistaken. Attending grad school is not the same as finishing a Ph.D, which may alter the numbers as well. On the Reed website they claim that Reed Graduates are number three overall in the nation in students earning Ph.D's, and #1 in the life sciences. I have no idea where they get their numbers.</p>

<p>jonri: I was mistaken, it is 61% are from outside the Ivy League.</p>

<p>I looked up the link provided by Jonri, and the numbers are quite impressive.
Listing colleges that sent 10+ students to HLS"
Amherst 15
Boston U 10
BYU 27
Brown 52
Columbia 50
Cornell 44
Dartmouth 34
Duke 59
Emory 12
Goergetown 37
Harvard 238
MIT 13
NYU 14
Northwestern 17
Pomona 11
Princeton 72
Rice 21
Stanford 90
Tufts 10
Berkeley 36
UCLA 35
Chicago 16
U Florida 13
U Mich 18
UNC-CH 14
Notre Dame 16
U Penn 48
USC 10
UT-Austin 44
UVA 21
Vandy 11
Williams 16
Yale 109</p>

<p>Huge difference idad--the idea that 8 schools account for more than one-third of all HLS students is pretty mind-boggling...especially when you consider the % of all college students attending those 8 schools. </p>

<p>However, I think that it's a bit misleading to look only at the HLS #s. Yale is usually regarded as the nation's best LS--even those who disagree would concede it's harder to get into than Harvard. Many West Coast students prefer Stanford. To get a more accurate idea, IMO, you need to look at all 3. Stanford lists the UG schools its students attend, but NOT the # for each (unless it's started doing so this year.) Here's the link for comparable #s for Yale. (Scroll to the bottom).</p>

<p><a href="http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I did something similar to the above, using the Yale data.
Bearing in mind that HLS has about 1700 students and Yale 602 in their respective JD programs, I noted only the colleges that sent 5+ students to Yale Law School.</p>

<p>Amherst * 9
Brown * 12
Columbia * 14
Cornell * 7
Dartmouth * 10
Duke * 12
Harvard * 94
Northwestern* 9
Princeton * 29
Rutgers 6
Rice * 29
Stanford * 40
Berkeley * 21
UCLA * 6
Chicago * 7
U Mich * 6
Notre Dame * 7
UT-Austin * 5
UVA * 11
Wesleyan 6
Williams * 14
Yale * 85</p>

<p>The lists bear some striking similarities. The only college that appears on the Yale list but not Harvard's is Rutgers. The absence of some colleges on the Harvard list from Yale's can be explained to a certain extent by the larger size of HLS student body and applicants' pool. </p>

<p>Graduates of H, Y and S represent very roughly 1/3 (219/602) of the total student body at YLS and 1/4 (427/1700) at HLS.</p>

<p>Found this while looking for reactions to Princeton's policy: </p>

<p><a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=29965%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=29965&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>What fun. It was actually a lot more entertaining to read the linked article in the box about Martha comparing her prison life to Yale. LOL.
(Thanks.)</p>

<p>..and while I'm at it, don't forget the um, "Premiere" starring Cybil Shepherd. It's on either this weekend or next. Called something like, "Martha Goes to Jail," or some similar endearing chapter heading of a young child's reader.</p>

<p>Sorry for the distraction; it was just irresistible.</p>

<p>School as prison: she must have been channeling Foucault.<br>
While visiting Eton, I overheard an Indian woman who had been contemplating sending her son there telling her husband that with all the bars at the windows, it looked like a prison, and she could not see why the British elite was so keen to send its sons there.</p>

<p>another chuckle.
(Possibly because the sons of the elite especially need restraining.)</p>

<p>"Schools as prisons"/ Dorms as monasteries. It's been quite awhile since I've seen as much hard wood in one small area ("suite'). Lots and lots and lots of extremely hard surfaces. The durability factor + the penitential/discipline factor. I can see why the students crave sofas, rugs, bean-bags, pillows......</p>