Proof that God is Dead.

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<p>The concept that the “God” of Abraham, Issac and Joseph is an infinite being is generally taken for granted by Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Atheists generally discount the existence of this being.</p>

<p>Why does God, a living personal God that loves us and cares for us to the best of his/her abilities, have to be infinite? Why does God have to be omnipotent or even all powerful? (these are very different things).</p>

<p>I as human being made in the image of God (by my belief and the belief of many others), can easily use the arts and sciences developed by my fellows and known to me to create an object too heavy for me to move, even by employing said arts and sciences. Google “cast concrete”.</p>

<p>Perhaps God is able to create universes but is only imperfectly able to interact with them. Perhaps we are the mechanisms God created to order and control creation. Just because a farmer can draw a wagon by his own hand doesnt mean he disdains the service of a horse when he can get it.</p>

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<p>OP, this thread is uncalled for. I’m a Chrisitian, and I have and never will criticize or judge people based on their beliefs. Each individual has the right to believe in what he or she chooses. There’s no need to make threads that bash religion, god(s), disbelief in god(s), etc.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>post this in the notre dame forum lol</p>

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<p>I agree with bigwill.</p>

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<p>If an almighty God existed wouldn’t it make sense that there would be some aspects pertaining to him that would be simply impossible for you to comprehend?</p>

<p>And weren’t you complaining about having to cram for APs on another thread? Why are you wasting time stirring up pointless threads?</p>

<p>Sigh when will you learn…</p>

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<p>WHich god are you talking about ? For example , the buddhist and hindus would agree that “god” (as we westerners define it ), doesn’t exist in this" univierse.</p>

<p>In Christianity/Judaism there are four names for God and each mean different relationships : ABBA, ELOHIM, Yahweh ( not being prejudice) , ADDONAI</p>

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<p>If I won’t post something stating how you will rot in Hell for having no faith, then I don’t understand why you would post something stating how we’re stupid for believing in God. I assure you, there are many of us that believe in this so called non existent being, and most of us won’t shove our beliefs down your throat. simply because thats your choice to subscribe to a religion/believe in God.</p>

<p>why would you post this here? come on dude, its way too controversial. i recommend yahoo answers. but if you want to get eaten up by fundamentalists with computers, kindly visit AOL.</p>

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<p>lulz you can just use common sense to see God and religion are social constructs, no need for big long essays and stuff.</p>

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<p>I love this debate. To the OP, you cant prove, refute anything stated by you or anyone else. Think about it. I did. When I first read “Angels & Demons” and thought about the infamous, everlasting, inevitable argument “Religion Vs. Science”, I began to question the general public’s intelligence. You argue that science is science and that god can not possibly exsist. According to what? According to science. I could tell you, I dont believe that scientific “rules” cant be bent and that would be the demise of your argument, yeah? Think about it. Science Vs. God. The Big Bang Vs. Adam & eve. Why cant they both exsist? Why cant it simply be “God created the big bang”, “God created anti-matter”? Omnipotence? Your right, it is relative. Lets just say god has a lot of it. . Fate? It doesnt work the way you think it does. According to religion (all 3, I think), God has put us here and is watching over us without helping or hindering us. Hes watching us progress and regress. Then comes judgement day. God is outside space and time, which means he cant, by physical definition, exsist? What if HE created physics?</p>

<p>Bottomline: WHAT IF BOTH SCIENCE AND GOD EXSIST?</p>

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<p>Anyone trying to prove the nonexistence of god is a loser.</p>

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<p>I am Christian and I do not think that anyone who makes a reasoned argument against the existence of God is a loser.</p>

<p>The OP’s argument is fraught with the sort of circular reasoning logical fallacies that are beloved of both Atheists and Fundametalists.</p>

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<p>uh…can I plea the fif? >.></p>

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<p>Bump. Come back tomjonesistheman, we need to debate.</p>

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<p>Ok I am back.</p>

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<p>First of all, about OPs post:</p>

<p>“To prove the non-existence of god”
The existence of God can neither be proved nor disproved. At best you could offer a strong argument for/against it. </p>

<p>“God is defined to be infinite, in which case it is not possible for there to be anything other than god because “infinite” is all-inclusive.”
There are an infinite number of natural numbers (1,2,3…). This means that integers (Natural numbers + 0 +negatives) don’t exist?</p>

<p>“A god which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in it self has it’s own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world.”
That is a really bad argument. God is a lot more than that. That is like saying: Humans are made of atoms, and so are rocks. You can replace humans with rocks!</p>

<p>“If we just accept that god has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?”
Which doesn’t really answer the question of why anything exists.</p>

<p>"God is not really an … serious in investigating the world. "
Why should God be an explanation? Why would you try to get information about the universe from God? You are making bad generalizations about theists. You are implying that they reject science in favor of God, which is not true in many cases.</p>

<p>“If god were to be almighty he would be able to do them, but it’s impossible to do so.”
Do you realize how silly your argument is here? Assuming God can do the impossible, it would be logical that we wouldn’t understand how he did it. If we could understand, it wouldn’t be impossible, would it?</p>

<p>“Is it logically possible to stand above time, space and all other dimensions - and still exist?”
Why not? What is illogical about that?</p>

<p>“Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!”
Why?</p>

<p>“I’d say that everything which violates the laws of physics are logically impossible and thus omnipotence is logically impossible.”
Yes, but God would have created the laws of physics himself. So it is not really impossible. Anyway, the laws of physics are not absolutes.</p>

<p>“So if god created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. … god is not alive and hence non-existent.”
I don’t get the logic here. The last sentence is just stupid.</p>

<p>“A much better way to change the world is to do it yourself. Then you would know that it was you who made the world better. The effect of prayers are not scientific provable, whilst the effect of actions are. Instead of praying you should set to work at improving your situation.”
Definitely agree with you.</p>

<p>You may have noticed I did not make any argument for the existence of God. This is because I’m not trying to change your mind - it would be a waste of time. You have your reasons for being an atheist and I can respect that. What annoys me is that you think if someones opinion differs from your own, he or she is an idiot.
:)</p>

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<p>oh god, what are you, fifteen and just read your first essay on existentialism?</p>

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<p>Whoa lol, I haven’t seen you in awhile! Or at least, I don’t think I’ve seen you in awhile. </p>

<p>How bout this: </p>

<p>PHYSICS

  • If God has knowledge of the wavefunctions of every single particle in the entire universe, including other possible multibranes or universes etc. etc., then God would certainly be omnipotent. Don’t try to bring up Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle.
  • Through quantum entanglement, it is possible that God is omnipresent. That’s a bit of stretch, though. (lol, I’m so clever with these puns).</p>

<p>LOGIC

  • If God can accomplish the impossible, then it is not really impossible and someone has failed in their definitions.</p>
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<p>tomjones is my God.</p>

<p>Therefore, he is dead. </p>

<p>Yay for logic.</p>

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<p>aero is my god, fairy_dreams is one of my prophets</p>

<p>therefore God does exist, because he just posted</p>

<p>Yay for CCist theology.</p>

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<p>tomjones, guess who absolutely abhorred atheism? Einstein.</p>

<p>boom</p>