<p>tomslawsky: "common sense", huh? </p>
<p>i'm going out, but when i get back i will respond to some of that nonsense posted.</p>
<p>Bring it on, I love a good debte...I promise you this- bring enough good data and logic to the table, present it cogently and I WILL change my mind. I love a challenging, CLEAN, logical debate. </p>
<p>By the way, I am assuming you are a UF student, you should search for my UF SAT thread on affirmative action. The Asian to Black spread is 135 SAT points in preference.</p>
<p>Is this a surprise? Who cares? Their talent is in their athleticism.</p>
<p>thank you liberate...this is obviously not a surprise</p>
<p>and their athletic talent is like being good at math problems or history..its just another talent they should be awarded for. its just like being good at music or discovering a disease cure or having lots of money in your family</p>
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How about this analogy: Athletes are discriminated against because they cannot major in their sport. Actors, artists and musicians are not academics, but they are allowed to major in Theater, Studio Art and Music. There is no 100% chance that they will be employed in their chosen profession. Athletes are required to spend 3 hours per day, 6 days per week plus away events on their sport AND major in something academic.
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<p>Good point Bay :) I've never really thought about it like that..</p>
<p>I don't get why people are complaining about the athletes? Do you think its easy being one? My best friend was a potential soccer recruit, and even though she's only div3 (was waitlisted at chicago and got in cause of the coach) she still went through hell to get to where she was. I never ever got to hang out with her except during summers at late night because she'd always be playing a game, training with her personal trainer, practice, etc. Her usual schedule was coming home from school at 3, commuting about half an hour to soccer and training and not even getting home till around 10-11 at night. THEN she gets to do her homework and study for her classes etc etc. It's not easy you know. Imagine being a div1 potential recruit. Your sport is your LIFE.</p>
<p>No offense to those who say they play a sport in high school, how many of you can really say you're college recruit status? ;)</p>
<p>It's like playing an instrument. You practice for hours at a time, and you do sacrifice your schoolwork to excel in it. Unless you're extremely naturally talented and blessed. It's not fair for the academic students to say that we took the easy way in. I'm a music major at LA and I must say I have less of a life than most of the academic majors I'm around. Who goes to the practice room at 9AM in the morning every day including weekends and doesn't return till 9PM? That on top of our ridiculously early sleep schedule because you simply cant practice productively when you're tired. </p>
<p>Back in high school, everyone used to say that I cheated my way into UCLA because I did music. I almost believed that myself because I wasn't sure if I was gonna do music, and I had a pretty high chance of switching to biz-econ (they let me when I asked). Then someone said something really smart: If I used the time I spent on the violin on academics and what everyone else did, I would have gotten in just the same.</p>
<p>If those musicians and athletes worked at their academics than their sport, they might have gotten in "fair and square".</p>
<p>You make some good points musicalfeet. I love how this thread lit up so quickly lol</p>
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I don't get why people are complaining about the athletes? Do you think its easy being one? My best friend was a potential soccer recruit, and even though she's only div3 (was waitlisted at chicago and got in cause of the coach) she still went through hell to get to where she was. I never ever got to hang out with her except during summers at late night because she'd always be playing a game, training with her personal trainer, practice, etc. Her usual schedule was coming home from school at 3, commuting about half an hour to soccer and training and not even getting home till around 10-11 at night. THEN she gets to do her homework and study for her classes etc etc. It's not easy you know. Imagine being a div1 potential recruit. Your sport is your LIFE.</p>
<p>No offense to those who say they play a sport in high school, how many of you can really say you're college recruit status?
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<p>Thanks for this, musicalfeet. There is a difference between what it takes to be a serious recruit and just playing a high school varsity sport. </p>
<p>Gross generalizations are dangerous even when talking about college athletic scholarships. All recipients aren't big and stupid any more than all engineers are socially inept.</p>
<p>^^
But were they D1 recruits? We're talking Big 10 ACC Big East ect.</p>
<p>The val of my school is one of the best in my state and was a big D1 recruit.</p>
<p>Athletes are allowed to major in their area of interest at many fine schools. Physical Education is a legitimate academic major, perhaps not as tough as engineering or history, which serves real needs in society.</p>
<p>Many of the athletes who do graduate go into coaching.</p>
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<p>Majoring in PE and majoring in say basketball are not the same...</p>
<p>Majoring in Music Theory and playing the cello are not the same but they are related. Many schools do not offer majors in a particular instrument but do provide a more general music major.</p>
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Athletes are allowed to major in their area of interest at many fine schools. Physical Education is a legitimate academic major, perhaps not as tough as engineering or history, which serves real needs in society.
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<p>That is even better. I believe that the poster who started this line of discussion was criticizing the (erroneous) fact that football/basketball has nothing to do with an athlete's likely profession, but you have now pointed out that those sports can, in fact, be germane to a legitimate academic major and career.</p>
<p>But they offer an acting degree or a dance degree... at least my school does..</p>
<p>This really becomes a question of how to define analogous degrees of specialization between or among very different endevours.</p>
<p>Many schools offer Theatre Arts as a major. Few offer musical theatre as a separate major. </p>
<p>Some schools offer a Dance major. How many offer Jazz Dance as a major, not an area of specialization? I really do not know but would be interested in reading comments about this.</p>
<p>Many P.E. majors actually concentrate on coaching their own game as much as is possible.
So while there may not be a football or basketball major, the P.E. degree can be tailored to an extent. Note: Coaching elementary school students is way different from coaching high schoolers!!</p>
<p>A good chemistry student has flexibility to tailor the curriculum toward particular interests.
You can study polymers more than inorganic synthesis or some such.</p>
<p>"Majoring in PE and majoring in say basketball are not the same..."</p>
<p>I don't think I've ever seen someone major in basketball or football to be honest. The reason majoring in PE and Basketball is so different is because one major, as far as I know, doesn't exist.</p>
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I don't think I've ever seen someone major in basketball or football to be honest.
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<p>Irish, that is the whole point!</p>
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<p>The all of one coaching class for that particular sport?!?!</p>
<p>At some schools you can major in P.E. with a minor in coaching your sport of interest.</p>
<p>A quick google and copy from Mayville State's website;
"With your major in Physical
education, youll be eligible to seek K-12 certification,
and you can tailor your Coaching minor to emphasize
the sports that interest you most."</p>
<p>It is arguable whether minoring in coaching a sport is the same as minoring in participation in that sport. You can definitely spend much of your academic time doing something closely related to your sport.</p>
<p>Hey! I only got a few posts when I posted that story a week ago!</p>
<p>It IS the same story, isn't it?</p>
<p>• Football players performed 115 points worse on the SAT than male athletes in other sports.</p>
<p>• The differences between athletes’ and non-athletes’ SAT scores was less than half as big for women (73 points) as for men (170).</p>
<p>Too late to finish my edit but the last part was in response to...</p>
<p>chaoswithinthed </p>
<p>No ****. I would like to do a study on the female atheletes. Lets do a study about cheerleaders and basketball players, I bet the results would be about the same for chicks.</p>
<p>DP</p>