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Maybe…but in terms of faculty achievement and breadth/depth of academic programs it exceeds even “higher” Ivies. ;)</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^UCB is right. Berkeley really is top notch academically.</p>
<p>No love for Miami.</p>
<p>I hate to have to say it, but which Miami are you talking about?</p>
<p>Ohio; my brother goes to MU and truly enjoys the experience both academically and socially.</p>
<p>There is a debate in Ohio as to which state school is tops. According to USNWR it’s tOSU. What do you honestly think?</p>
<p>Eh, it’s really just relative. I’m not from Ohio, but OSU is considered the flagship primarily because of its size, however Miami is unique in that it is a fairly large school (15,000), yet still functions like a private school in the mold of Vandy or Wake.</p>
<p>The problem with this exercise is always the same (in the many times it comes up). By what criteria do you define “public Ivy?” Resources, faculty accomplishments, prestige, selectivity, campus, tradition – or all of the above? There is no common definition.</p>
<p>I think the one distinction which is relatively new and perhaps the most important characteristic for those answering the question today is selectivity, or perhaps more accurately the perceived academic quality of incoming students. (Princeton was more “selective” than, say, UCLA fifty years ago, just as it is today, but at that time it was a selectivity related more to social class and wealth.)</p>
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<p>Very good point… Some of the strongest undergrad-focused schools are weak when it comes to research and grad programs. At the same time, some of the strongest public research universities may be loaded with world-renown scholars on faculty, but not be particularly selective at the undergrad level.</p>
<p>I think this is the best way to break it down:</p>
<p>Strongest undergrad publics:
Berkeley
Michigan
William and Mary
Virginia
UNC
Maybe the service academies due to selectivity
honorable mentions: UCLA, Illinois, Wisconsin, Texas, Georgia Tech </p>
<p>Strongest faculty/research publics:
Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
Wisconsin
Texas
Illinois
UCSD
Washington
honorable mentions: Georgia Tech, UVA, UNC</p>
<p>A distinction definitely has to be made as to whether quality of academic programs or selectivity is being measured. Schools like UVA and UNC, while certainly strong, do not compare to schools like Wisconsin, Illinois, and Texas in terms of overall academic breadth and depth. The level of research and faculty quality is not quite the same.</p>
<p>I also don’t think it is fair to include Georgia Tech in a list of top publics while excluding schools like Illinois and UT-Austin that have comparable engineering programs, but a more diverse student body across many more strong academic departments. Georgia Tech gets a benefit for being more selective which is unfair since it’s mostly an engineering school. Comparing just students in the engineering or business programs at Illinois, Texas, etc. would yield similar stats.</p>
<p>JWT86. Your above assessments are spot on in my opinion. I am in total agreement.</p>
<p>According to USNews, ha: </p>
<p>UCB
UVA
UCLA
Michigan-AA
USC
UNC-CH
W&M
Wisconsin-M
GTech</p>
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<p>Well, academically, Berkeley is no doubt comparable to HYPSM.
My list, however, includes a combination of several factors that undergrad students may think are also important. :)</p>
<p>north face, assuming you’re talking about Southern Cal, USC isn’t a public school.</p>
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I like this comparison as the Ivy League is a sports league. But how would the other six UC’s compete with UCB and UCLA in sports?</p>
<p>There is no SUNY school that should be rated a ‘public ivy’. There are some programs that certain SUNY schools do extremely well, but an ‘ivy’ type distinction is a reach. I have visited almost all of them, known someone who has graduated from almost all of them, and graduated from one myself.</p>
<p>SUNY Albany does Public admin/poli sci/public affairs at a very high level. Their nanoscience program might be one of the best in the country as well…
SUNY Binghamton has a great business program…
SUNY Geneseo has been ranked in Kiplingers ‘best value’ list for years, their faculty is 90% PhD, and it is notoriously difficult to graduate from…
SUNY Stony Brook has great science programs…
SUNY Cortland has a great education program…
Too bad we couldn’t roll all of these into one location.</p>
<p>It is a real reach to put a SUNY school into the same class as U Michigan, U Virginia, Will & Mary, UCB/UCLA, UNC, G tech… even U Florida, U Arizona, U Mass, U Illinois, U Conn
IMO</p>
<p>Yes, well said, JWT.</p>
<p>LOL @ UCBChemEGrad ur comparison is hilarious. Although ucr & Dartmouth are totally can not be realistically compared to each other.</p>
<p>SUNY Binghamton…27,000 applications for less than 2000 spots this year. They surely consider it a Public Ivy.</p>
<p>What’s their expected yield?</p>
<p>Is it 2,000 spots, or 2,000 acceptances? Even if it’s spots, (not knowing what the yield is) it’s probably a pretty competitive rate. For instance, UMinn had a record 33,000 applicants this year for 5,000 “spots,” but they accept more than what the freshman class size really is.</p>