<p>Actually, IS has some networking components to it, but it's generally a different game. IS guys do pretty well out of school, and there's certainly less interaction with people than in 'regular' management. You could consider CMU's one year masters program in IS management, that would net you a solid job out of school assuming you can put together a competitive applications.</p>
<p>Well, one more year for a master's program eh. Man, I have to live in my city for one more year before moving, actually, I guess I'll stay in my city. I have a dear friend living in town, but I'd like to move still. And I just wish I had a head start earlier, cause I'd be more willing to do that master's program. If I did IS, I was planning on minoring in CS to have some sort of complementary skills if it helps at all really. Will that be almost as good as a Masters?</p>
<p>Oh wait I didn't see that you specifically mentioned a good college. Nevermind what I said.</p>
<p>From what I've seen of most Information Systems/Science curricula, the core components are extremely similar to the core components of CS. The core components of CS + 1 or 2 electives is probably all a CS minor is going to be, so you're not going to get a lot out of it. Minors are pretty much irrelevant.</p>
<p>If you can still pull out a major in IS, I'd try and do it. The main thing is that you really should have done an internship in the field if you think you want to work in it, and if you're in your senior year I don't know if that's possible.</p>
<p>IS is going to be a lot more vocational than CS, the benefit in this is that you probably won't be as bored with your short attention span and you'll get alright job offers if you put yourself out there and your GPA isn't horrible even without work experience. The downside to this is that computer technology changes rapidly, and the fundamentals of a CS degree make it easier to adapt to the 'new.' When you're out of college, you're really going to have to do what you can to keep yourself updated on new technology as an IS graduate.</p>
<p>Is there any other options for business? How about liberal arts degrees like English or science majors like Chemistry. It's just the engineering courses I don't like that has you spending an indefinite amount of time in school. I'm doubtful about IS, if it's not real stable that's okay, if I'll be saving up a lot I guess throughout the years to survive on that until I get another job. Hm, any other suggestions. Thanks for the info, I thought CS gave you a set of skills to live on, unlike those guys who are pessimistic about it's actual field being outsourced, still you don't have to work within your field.</p>
<p>Like you said IS and accounting, you can be an IS auditor, is that pretty stable. Also, I think CS is a closer look to computer programs, but that's just me. I was thinking of doing Calculus 2, integral calculus, but now that you said minors aren't necessary, unless it's a good combo, I might reconsider.</p>
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<p>LMAO @ this. Have you already taken some CS courses already? Have you taken the pre-reqs for either of these degrees? Do you want to stay in school forever? For a lazy person, u sure set your goals pretty high. In order to do well in the CS courses, you will need to take the early weed-out courses in CS. MIS classes are tough enough on their own. Combining those with CS classes would be pretty damn hard. (and your GPA would suffer big time)</p>
<p>I did and I failed C++, so I have to retake it again. Hell, anybody that does CS or engineering or whatever knows how much dedication you need to put in all your classes.</p>
<p>Also you guys make it seem like bachelor's in business does not give you a lot of job offers. Why so pessimistic? So my general studies degree will be just as good as a bachelor's in business huh. It will have just as much value I mean. Let me just laugh.</p>
<p>A BS in a generic business major won't give you a lot of job offers unless you graduated from a name school such as CMU or Wharton or Sloan etc. However, if you have a good duel concentration such as a BS in accounting with a concentration in computers, you will be in-demand.</p>
<p>Hm, really, wow. I thought a combo would be nice. Like marketing and economics, or accounting and IS or marketing and IS. And I just need to take a couple of more classes of each. It's too bad that the IS sector is unpredictable or that it's a static degree. Cause I wanted to do some higher level IS courses to be like a solid web programmer, knowing security, database, etc. I guess I can take extra IS courses if it helps to know more.</p>
<p>Well since business is not as easy as some say, is it as hard as science majors?</p>
<p>The IS sector isn't anymore unpredictable than anything else, and it's not a static degree. There is no real static degree from any college that's good. I really recommend you sit down with your career services office, because you seem totally lost. And yes, of course business isn't as hard as something like electrical engineering or biochemistry. It's a softer major, it's not the curriculum that makes it worth while, it's what you do with the curriculum and your free time that makes it worth while.</p>
<p>Listen, if you can't talk to anyone and you don't want to do any internships the only thing that's going to make it easy to get a job is probably a CS or IS degree in your position. Just try and muster up some effort for once and get through it, then you can sit in a cubicle all day programming for the rest of your life with some job security.</p>
<p>CS will always be in-demand, IS will always be in-demand. Companies that actually require a working IT structure will never outsource to another country, some brokerages have tried it and seen how bad the results are. Solid programmers (CS) that speak English and have experience working in teams will always be in-demand over some foreign team on elance, and there always has and pretty much always will be a shortage of CS graduates.</p>
<p>Haha, you guys got me all wrong with this whole thing about me not wanting to be interpersonal with everyone. I am actually planning on internship in any field regardless of whether it is biology, CS, or IS. Internship is only temporary or permanent after all. But my decision to stay in the city I live may make it either case. I think CS has a more solid standing than IS, and you don't have to keep up with technology every day, well actually I know you should, otherwise you're seen as lazy. </p>
<p>I have seen my career counselor several times, and they'll ask me the same questions. What interests you the most etc. My counselor wants me to give CS another try, or that I should look for geography and GIS, and I told her I was going to take a class in accounting, and CS, and the required science classes(cause they'll fill my natural science curriculum even if I don't continue to pursue CS), etc etc. I might not take Calc 2 and continue to minor in CS like I wanted to, I was thinking of doing accounting+IS, not a double major by the way, but close, it's a somewhat specialized program in itself they have at my school. I don't want to constantly fill my head with the latest technologies or gadgets, but if not I think my accounting will back it up for me.</p>
<p>Anyway, people make the weirdest decisions believe it or not. I've known CS majors going into the business field being either a broker or real estate agent. I don't think they'd like to program throughout their career, it's just for the sake of prestige I guess.</p>
<p>I've been seeing my counselor from time to time and advisors from different departments. It's just I'm pressed for time here and I probably shouldn't make it harder for myself. I'd like to do biochemistry to find things to help my body and thus self-confidence. But I found out that they do hundreds of pages of writing, so I am not doing that. But thanks anyway for the academic help. Not sure if I'm going to get crap for that biochemistry idea, but I bet I will.</p>
<p>Paul Graham created LISP, made the 50 million selling one of the first major web apps to Yahoo before the crash and he's one of the few highly-regarded essayists on computing. He graduated with a BS in Philosophy. Well, he also ended up with a MS and PhD from Harvard in computer science, but my point stands.</p>
<p>Accounting is always useful. Accounting + IS can be powerful if you're working in an accounting company that uses intranets or extranets extensively. It can be useful if you want to start your own boutique accounting firm after working for a few years and getting your CPA. You'd be able to develop web applications for your clients that most CPAs would be ignorant of.</p>
<p>More importantly, you haven't figured out what it is you want to do in your undergraduate career. That means you'll need to try and figure it out in the work world, then go back to graduate school for what you really want to do.</p>
<p>CS or IS is fine, but if you're going to graduate with a higher GPA in IS because it's easier or you're more interested in the courses then do that. And, I've got to admit, you're still kind of a stereotype of what a young male is, you just happen to be entering a new stereotype with body image issues and general self-confidence problems. Studying biochemistry won't help your body, lifting heavy weights and eating right will. If that's still an issue for you, then business will be an issue because you kind of have to be fearless at the very beginning of your career if you want to make rapid advancement.</p>
<p>Accounting is fine if you like it. Pick IS or CS depending on what you think you'll do better with. That's the last of what I have to say on the issue.</p>
<p>But I failed C++, and that's just the surface of what CS will be. This could be a red flag to pursue CS as a major, I just can't afford to graduate when I'm 30 with just a bachelors, I just can't, I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with GPA. And as the body image problem, no it's not really an image thing. I'm going to tell you something that you will really laugh at, and that you will never ever hear from someone again in your lifetime after this. And keep all this laughter to yourself okay, but I have a body odor problem, and I constantly have to have certain classes where I get into problems with people. I'll have to tough it up as usual, but I wish not everyone has this problem, and they don't. That's good, they don't have an extra weight on their shoulders. And if you're wondering about hygiene, then you are really wrong. I've taken so many showers, washed my clothes a lot, but it doesn't seem to disappear. And I do not perspire at all, not even when I work out. It's just a depressing life for me, I don't think about it all the time, but sometimes it can bring up a few social depressing moments sometimes, not always.</p>
<p>Yeah I know you're laughing and you're telling me it's silly, well I can't blame anyone, I would probably make fun of the person too if I weren't in their shoes. But I can't change what I didn't ask for. It's life, that's the way it's suppose to be, I know that. And trust me it is real, I do not have like some schizophrenic problem. I have heard others whisper(and being open) clearly and laugh about it. Frankly, I'm just tired of it all really.</p>
<p>Also that is an amazing story about Paul Graham. I know that anyone can get into certain grad schools with any degree but also depending on the requirements met. I'm sure Paul Graham has taken some CS courses along the way when he did his philosophy degree. Reminds me of other stories I've heard from guys who suceeded in the computer industry like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs who are the founders of the most successful businesses and they never graduated college. I'm sure we've all heard those success stories outside of that.</p>
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<p>No we didn't. You failed to realize that public speaking is a very, very important element in business.</p>
<p>Oh as in presentations in meetings? Hm, I guess it's much more common than Engineers presenting things for the company. Well, I mean if you're not articulate or show that you're smart and valuable to the company in presentations, then it's not good eh?</p>
<p>Also I was thinking of applying for an auditing job I believe. I wanted to know if this is a good idea and to major in business to get a feel of things.</p>
<p>Bill Gates would not have failed a computer science course.</p>
<p>Billy Lee, dude, I'll be honest, when I read that post, I did laugh, not because of your "problem" but because you think something like that could be an obstacle for you. Don't let something insignificant like that affect your future, seriously don't. In my first post when I mentioned that I totally blew a presentation, that was probably one of the worst days of my college life. I was doing fine for a minute and then my mind just went blank. I couldn't remember anything I practiced. I put considerable time and effort into the project too. I could see everyone I knew in the class start getting uncomfortable. It was so embarrassing that I thought I should switch to my second choice major altogether (pre-pharmacy=no public speaking whatsoever) because I knew my future classes and the type of job I wanted would have heavy emphasis on public speaking. And then I tried to figure out my problem, spoke to the teacher, now I know that I will get better at Public Speaking, It'll take time, but you eventually get better at it with practice, it's one of those things. My case is quite different from yours but you shouldn't make something like that decide your future for you. The jobs you said you are looking at right now are the ones that involve sitting in a cubicle and pushing paper, something I would just dread if I had to do it for the rest of my life. These jobs you selected sound like they may be influenced by your "problem". But it's up to you on what you want to do just don't let body-image problems get to you like that. You can solve it.</p>