<p>I offered class sizes a few pages back to counter your assertion that classes are "twice as big." </p>
<p>By the way, 5 year graduation rates are for more reasons than just class offerings. They're also indicative of poorer students needing to work and take fewer classes. </p>
<p>And if UCLA and Cal are so crowded, then why are the classes generally of similar sizes to comparable privates?</p>
<p>by the way Sternman, if you would like to insult BC, go ahead i dont mind. Id love to hear what you have to say about it (other than Stern>Carroll)</p>
<p>"I offered class sizes a few pages back to counter your assertion that classes are "twice as big." "</p>
<p>That's good but doesn't really solve the problem. The grad rate still show UCLA is overcrowded and the avg student suffers from important classes needed to graduate. Sure you can take many of the other courses that don't help you out much but people are having problems taking CERTain CLASSES that they need to grad. That's the problem.</p>
<p>"And if UCLA and Cal are so crowded, then why are the classes generally of similar sizes to comparable privates?"</p>
<p>More TA's teaching. Also, there was a post a while back comparing them. I feel it is a difference that is noticeable.</p>
<p>ckmets: I won't insult your college if you don't insult mine. So far you've always started the personal comments first so if possible I'd like to avoid that though i'm not gonna back down if you start it.</p>
<p>Okay, let me explain something to you Sternman.</p>
<p>TAs don't teach courses. They lead DISCUSSIONS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class20.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class20.htm</a>
<a href="http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class50.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class50.htm</a></p>
<p>Cal and UCLA perform pretty well there, with Cal doing better than a number of privates, and UCLA performing as well as Cornell.</p>
<p>Yeah, classes are HUGE. :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>Not necessarily. Like I said, the grad rate is also indicative of a good number of students needing to take more time due to financial burdens.</p>
<p>Oh, and around 70% or so of UCLA students graduate in four years. What a dismal number. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Compare that to the privates it is ranked above. Compare to Tufts.</p>
<p>That's ONE FACTOR in an education. ONE. </p>
<p>And Cornell is ranked above Tufts as well, so then what?</p>
<p>What? Cornell has better grad + retention rates than UCLA too.</p>
<p>One factor? THAT'S A BIG FACTOR in education if 30% of kids are not getting properly educated.</p>
<p>Wait wait...</p>
<p>So you're telling me that someone who graduates in 5 years isn't educated as well as someone who graduates in 4?</p>
<p>Hmm...interesting.</p>
<p>it means they aren't getting the right resources, attention, and/or the right classes/education. You dont' see Cornell kids taking random courses and not graduating on time despite their hard coursework.</p>
<p>55% for UCLA and 53% for Berkeley in 4 years. This is pathetic. Get rid of those CC kids and you might do better. Also go read the Cal forums. Most CC kids come in doing fluff majors.</p>
<p>Y'know, I was one of those "CC kids" and I graduated in four years no sweat.</p>
<p>Oh, and I don't know where Davis gets that figure. UCLA is at least above 65%...</p>
<p>It's 67%, actually.</p>
<p>And yes, the transfer 4-year-graduation rate isn't spectacular. But keep in mind that transfers aren't this uniformly bad lot as you suggest. Most transfers I encountered while at UCLA were excellent students and indistinguishable from their high school-entrant counterparts.</p>
<p>However, for many of them, especially science majors, transferring poses a bit of a challenge for four year graduation rates-- and it's not because of the lack of available courses. It's labs.</p>
<p>But what do I know? I'm just a retarded transfer. Durrrr...</p>
<p>Mnay more students at state schools are working during school and paying some or all of their education. This alone is a big reason it might take a little longer to graduate. When you are paying $30,000+ a year on your parents' dime you are in a hurry. When it is under $8,000, what's the big rush?</p>
<p>I could've graduated in 3 (one at CC, two at UCLA), but chose to stay an extra year to do an internship, a minor, and some original research.</p>
<p>But technically, I added to the "5-year graduation rate." </p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
<p>Sternman, you don't seem to be a very good arguer. I mean you are talking about two schools, Berkeley and NYU. However, you are comparing one secton of NYU (Stern) to a whole school (Berkeley) while at the same time comparing Stern to Haas, but then following the argument by saying that you aren't really even talking about Haas, but rather Berkeley as a whole. So how can you sit there comparing two things that are totally different. Comparing the best thing that NYU has to offer with a school as a whole (goods and bads), is not really a great comparison.</p>
<p>Also making random comments saying that "you're stupid" is pretty naive and ignorant of you. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't make them a stupid person but however it does make you stupid for discrediting them for having their own opinions. Also you can't say that NYU is more attractive to businesses in New York because one would assume such a thing. I am sure that Haas attracts more interest in California than NYU would in California.</p>
<p>Never argue with an idiot-they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.</p>
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<li>Witty that's been my point.</li>
<li>I never called anyone "stupid". I've also never insulted anyone unless insulted first (aka. wolves and the parents thing).</li>
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<p>Hmm I'm an idiot huh? Seems to me like I'm not the one going to Indiana.</p>
<p>It's amazing how Sternman is able to make a priori assumptions and seemingly do so without hesitation.</p>
<p>yes i know that's your point but you can't compare those two things since they are totally different</p>
<p>No one called you an idiot Sternman.</p>