Purdue V. UCR - Undergraduate Business

College Search & Selection
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<p>"Do you still believe even if Thomas Haider program does attract some very strong applicants, that your entire student body in your biology program is as talented overall as UCSD or UCB?"</p>

<p>On average I would have to say probably not; we do have some bio people here after all who are not here for the program. However, if you were to compare both student bodies on an individual basis, you would find a definite mix in the strengths. If you were to pick one bio kid at berkeley, chances are you could find a "better" one here, as well as vice versa. This may not mean that our students are smarter, perhaps just better educated here with certain aspects. From what I have heard UCR's premed program goes much more indepth than any of the other UCs, and this is from people who have xfered from one to the other as well as people from both just "catching up."</p>

<p>But anyways, my actual point was this: Those kids that southpasadena mentioned are not just "outliers" as you called them; a good portion of this student body is smart. </p>

<p>And on another note, the kids that SP just mentioned in his last post can be found at both UCLA and USC as well, and most likely also at cal. A friend of mine who went USC sacked his grades to play with his new PS3 and make online cover videos. (Although he did win 5k$ recently for a "fergilicious" cover video contest.) He is smart, but rather lazy it seems. And I can think of MANY similar cases at UCLA.</p>

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<p>i think its so funny how everyone here in CA bashes UCR so much</p>

<p>sure it sucks compared to many of the other UC's</p>

<p>btu its still one of the best schools out there (top 100 for sure)</p>

<p>UCmerced...well thats a whole otehr story</p>

<p>but im pretty sure that within the next 20 years, merced will be considered way better</p>

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<p>There is a strong correlation between demographics and the UC Rankings. Simply: the more populated the area, the more desirability, which makes it a better school. This of course is a generalization and in reality it depends on several factors.
UC Berkeley Population of 102,743 people
Less than 10 miles away from san Francisco with population of 739,426 people.
UC Los Angeles- Population of 3,844,829 people (Largest city in CA).
The city is (121 mi) northwest of San Diego
UC San Diego- Population of 1,255,540 people (2nd largest city in CA).
The city is (121 mi) southeast of Los Angeles
UC Irvine- Population of 199,755 people.
The city is (41 mi) south of Los Angeles
UC Santa Barbra- Population of 92,325 people.
The city is 85 miles west-northwest of Los Angeles
UC Davis - Population 60,308 people.
The city is (11 mi) west of Sacramento, (72 mi) northeast of San Francisco
UC Santa Cruz- Population 54,593 people.
The city is (75 mi) south of San Francisco
UC Riverside- Population of 290,086 (12th largest city in CA)
The city is (50 mi) east of Los Angeles. </p>

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<p>UC Merced Population of 76,893
The city is (130 mi) southeast of San Francisco </p>

<p>UC Berkeley was est. in 1868 while UCLA is was established in 1881, which may have some effect. The significance in establishment (generally) is having a name advantage. Chances are the name is known more. Other than that, the data seems to correlate very well with population; UC Merced is already a very populated city but is very far from an Urban city.
20 years ago, UCI’s Ranking was no better than UCR’s Rankings but today UCI is among the top tier of the UC System and its population has dramatically increased. 20 years ago, Irvine was not a very nice city and under populated today, it has become one of the nicest areas in Orange County and a very desirable area to live.
Riverside
2005 2000 1990
Population 290,086 255,166 226,505
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2005 Population Estimates, Census 2000, 1990 Census
20% Increase</p>

<p>Irvine
2005 2000 1990
Population 186,852 143,072 110,330
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2005 Population Estimates, Census 2000, 1990 Census
70% Increase</p>

<p>In a decade from now the projected census for Cities that are closer to large metropolitan cities are much higher than those that are not as our large cities continue to grow and spread outward.
By examining the Population map from the data collected from the 2000 US Census that I modified to show each UC school, we see that UCSC, UCSB, and UCM are all very far from Urban Metropolitan Cities. On the other hand, UCD and UCR are extremely close to heavily populated area. If you look at the map, Riverside is cut off from the populations of Los Angles. I suspect in the next decade or so we should expect to see that gap, cleared and the population of Riverside to increase as Southern California spreads outwards and becoming a much more desirable area. For those of you who have ever been to Riverside, most of you can conclude the area is not very nice nor desirable.
Map of UC System Demographics: <a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/394306879_aede5719da_o.png%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/394306879_aede5719da_o.png&lt;/a>
This is what I have found through my research, what I’m still baffled about the fact that Riverside is why Riverside is still lower ranked and why it is not following the population trend while almost every other UC follows this trend. It is definitely and outlier in this case.</p>

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<p>Inland Empire will equal the next orange county, but rather the beaches will be replaced by mountains</p>

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what I’m still baffled about the fact that Riverside is why Riverside is still lower ranked and why it is not following the population trend while almost every other UC follows this trend

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<p>Considering a large portion of uc students are asian, this question can be partly answered. Then you have the fact that riverside is one of the most dangerous CA cities, it is hot, departed from the major metro area of los angeles and it is seen as inferior becuase of student gossip. That is how i percieved UCR before i actually had a chance to see first hand.</p>

<p>And dangerous i mean dangerous. I have seen cars filled with hispanics loading guns, i have seen them swarm around a van full of african americans and beat them down..i have seen the prostitutes running across university and chicago....but is this really all that bad. NO I have seen this in pasadena, eagle rock, el sereno, downton la, temple city, alhambra, etc. It happens everywhere but when someone is making a decision to go their, this statistic seems to stand out...why, they are ignorant to their own surrounding/surrounding cities. The campus is just as safe as any other campus. Never have i or any girl i know feel threatened or scared walking at 3 in the morning or any other time, unless it is a dark area - rapist - which would be the same regardless of campus..at least i believe</p>

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<p>Riverside is still a UC and so they attract top notch faculty. There are a number of outstanding students here--mostly those who got better financial packages. I personally know of students from the Inland Empire who matriculated at Riverside over UC San Diego, Davis etc. because of aid, so don't be so quick to paint with so broad a brush. Yes, in general the average students not of Berkeley quality, but the top 15 percent or so are outstanding. Lots of kids are quick to dismiss UCR because of its location and supposed lower quality--location I understand, but don't be swayed by rumors from people with absolutely no clue or experience about UCR. There a number of truly outstanding departments--Biology, Philosophy, Geology, Entomology etc. and undergraduates are completely spoiled because UCR's graduate programs are smaller than most of the other UC schools.</p>

<p>If you have particular questions, feel free to email me...</p>

<p>CUgrad</p>

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From what I have heard UCR's premed program goes much more indepth than any of the other UCs, and this is from people who have xfered from one to the other as well as people from both just "catching up."

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<p>Pre-med is not actually a program/major. It is a term given to students who are taking the required courses to be eligible to apply to medical school. A Pre-med could easily be an english major but most often they are biology majors.</p>

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Those kids that southpasadena mentioned are not just "outliers" as you called them; a good portion of this student body is smart.

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<p>Smart in comparison to the overall US college student population studying a life science major yes, but still there is a significant difference in quality of students compared to even schools like UCD and up. </p>

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Yes, in general the average students not of Berkeley quality, but the top 15 percent or so are outstanding.

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<p>I would agree. They would be around the 50-60% of what equivalent students at UCB/UCLA/UCSD and around the 70-80% of UCD/UCI and UCSB which is nothing to sneer at.</p>

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<p>Students who wish to go to med school have certain classes they have to take, and those classes, such as biology, would be considered part of a premed program as without them, you cannot be considered premed. and if that is not considered "official," i would hope you are smart enough to figure that out anyways. </p>

<p>as for the rest of the crap that you said, its so riddled with fallacies of logic and errors that I am not going to even touch it. You clearly have no clue about the different student bodies between the UCs.</p>

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Students who wish to go to med school have certain classes they have to take, and those classes, such as biology, would be considered part of a premed program as without them, you cannot be considered premed. and if that is not considered "official," i would hope you are smart enough to figure that out anyways.

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<p>Requirements for medical school:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.studentdoc.com/medical-school-requirements.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.studentdoc.com/medical-school-requirements.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Coursework </p>

<p>The commonly accepted coursework requirements for medical school include a minimum of 1 year of:</p>

<p>General biology
Physics with lab
General chemistry (inorganic chemistry) with lab
Organic chemistry with lab
Calculus
English </p>

<p><a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/research/articles/criteria/prereqs.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/research/articles/criteria/prereqs.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Pre-Med Requirements:
Undergraduate Courses and GPA </p>

<p>Undergraduate Coursework
In the past, if you wanted to go to med school you almost had to be a science major, and college advisors encouraged undergrads to concentrate on typical "premed" fields like biology, chemistry, and physics. Today, you have more choice. Most med schools encourage students to pursue a broad, liberal arts education and place more emphasis on the breadth and depth of coursework than the area of study.</p>

<p>Still, admissions committees need to know that you can handle the rigors of science-intensive med school coursework and main-tain certain minimum requirements. Although mandatory courses vary somewhat from school to school, the basic requirements at most schools are as follows:</p>

<p>Course Requirement
Biology or Zoology 1 year with lab
Inorganic Chemistry 1 year with lab
Organic Chemistry 1 year with lab
Physics 1 year with lab
English 1 year </p>

<p>A number of schools also require coursework in calculus or college-level math, behavioral science, the humanities, and computers. Some more competitive schools require advanced-level science courses, especially for students who meet basic requirements through high school advanced placement credits.</p>

<p>Obviously you are not intelligent enough to realize that "pre-med" is not a formal program that the university is in charge of. Therefore, the same general courses at UCR are about the same at any university and I would doubt that a general bio or upper division biology course like molecular biology would be any different at UCR than at any other UC. It would certainly not be any more rigorous or in depth as you may think. </p>

<p>So if the UC's were all completely even in talent, then why are some harder to get into and why do some have significantly higher standardized scores? </p>

<p>UCR:</p>

<p>Admit Rate — Overall: 78.6%
Admits: 15,650
Applicants: 19,906
ELC Student Admit Rate: 94.4%
California Residents (% of admits): 96.6% </p>

<p>Averages
High School GPA: 3.59
ACT Composite Score: 23
SAT Critical Reading: 543
SAT Mathematics: 586
SAT Writing: 552 </p>

<p>UC Berkeley:</p>

<p>Admit Rate – Overall: 23.6%
Admits (1): 9,831
Applicants: 41,716
ELC Student Admit Rate: 60.3%
California Residents (% of admits): 87.9% </p>

<p>Averages
High School GPA: 4.17
ACT Composite Score: 28
SAT Critical Reading: 665
SAT Mathematics: 690
SAT Writing: 670 </p>

<p>UCLA:</p>

<p>Admit Rate — Overall: 25.5%
Admits: 12,069
Applicants: 47,245
ELC Student Admit Rate: 57.6%
California Residents (% of admits): 86.9% </p>

<p>Averagess
High School GPA: 4.13
ACT Composite Score: 28
SAT Critical Reading: 658
SAT Mathematics: 687
SAT Writing: 665 </p>

<p>Although it doesn't show percentiles. I am willing to bet that the AVERAGE of the top 25% of UCR would be about what the MEAN/MEDIAN student at UCLA/UCB would be.</p>

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<p>"Obviously you are not intelligent enough to realize that "pre-med" is not a formal program that the university is in charge of. Therefore, the same general courses at UCR are about the same at any university and I would doubt that a general bio or upper division biology course like molecular biology would be any different at UCR than at any other UC. It would certainly not be any more rigorous or in depth as you may think."</p>

<p>I acknowledged that first part with my clause "and if that is not considered 'official,'" and as for those general requirements that you posted and were exactly what I was referring to. And just as I have said, due to the Thomas Haider program, I believe (and have also been told numerous times) that our "general requirements for medical school" (since nicknaming it permed program seems to be offensive) are more intensive and in-detail than at other UCs. This is likely because we need to single out the top 24 med applicants per year in order to give them their seat at the UCLA med school, and by making classes such as bio and o-chem rediculously hard those top students stand out much more. (since otherwise, as has been shown, we get a ridiculous amount of A+s in our bio related-classes) </p>

<p>"I am willing to bet that the AVERAGE of the top 25% of UCR would be about what the MEAN/MEDIAN student at UCLA/UCB would be." </p>

<p>This actually seems more on-par with the truth, as compared with say:
"If you chose UCR over Princeton, I must assume it was either due to substantial financial aid (full ride) or family issues that would require her to be close to home. On the average, UCLA, UCB and Princeton admits DO NOT cross admit into UCR. Like Alexandre said, they are outliers."</p>

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as for sakky, he does make very good points but are those under the assumption that a universities main goal is to improve its name and rankings, rather than to educate? I briefly skimmed his first post and thats the idea i get, about how a college shouldnt do what I mentioned above cuz it reduces certainty.

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<p>Not at all. He's saying that the tough "weeding out" process present at all of the UC's (including Riverside) is a bad policy. It doesn't have to do with propping up reputation. To better understand his position, I think you should re-read the second half of his first post beginning with "Now, I know what some of you are thinking. You're thinking that I am just being cold by advocating that schools not admit these students. To the contrary, I would argue that I am actually being compassionate."</p>

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Riverside is still a UC and so they attract top notch faculty. There are a number of outstanding students here--mostly those who got better financial packages. I personally know of students from the Inland Empire who matriculated at Riverside over UC San Diego, Davis etc. because of aid, so don't be so quick to paint with so broad a brush. Yes, in general the average students not of Berkeley quality, but the top 15 percent or so are outstanding. Lots of kids are quick to dismiss UCR because of its location and supposed lower quality--location I understand, but don't be swayed by rumors from people with absolutely no clue or experience about UCR. There a number of truly outstanding departments--Biology, Philosophy, Geology, Entomology etc. and undergraduates are completely spoiled because UCR's graduate programs are smaller than most of the other UC schools.

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<p>On this I agree. I must say, however, that phrases such as "the top 15% of our students are outstanding" are just codewords covering up the relative ineptitude of the remaining 85%. I say relative because I am comparing these students to the students at the mid to upper UC's.</p>

<p>You could take the top 15% at your local community college and they would be quite accomplished.</p>

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<p>actually, it's not code for anything. These top students would excel anywhere they went. They happened to choose UCR for any number of reasons. You are right that the bottom half of UCR can include some very inept students. I would argue, however, that you will find students who manage to gain acceptance at any of a number of prestigious institutions who, for one reason or another, cannot cut it at the college level. I knew a number of these students when I was at Cornell. My point is, if you are a decent or an excellent student, you really shouldn't worry about these folks. Odds are, you won't be competing with them for slots to top grad schools, professional schools etc.. In addition, good students tend to associate with good students. If you are an outstanding student who happens to choose UCR for whatever reason, you more than likely will naturally gravitate towards the other good students there.</p>

<p>Cheers,
CUgrad</p>

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<p>The Thomas Haider Program:</p>

<p>The Haider Program prerequisite course curriculum is identical to that of UCLA’s Geffen School of Medicine and is shown as UCR coursework as follows:</p>

<pre><code>* English - one year of college English to include the study of English composition (English Composition 1A, 1B, and 1C or equivalent)
* Physics - one year of college physics with laboratory (Physics 2A,2LA, 2B, 2LB, 2C, and 2LC, or equivalent)
* Chemistry - two years of college chemistry to include the study of inorganic chemistry and organic chemistry with laboratory (Chemistry 1A, 1B, and 1C and Chemistry 112A, 112B, and 112C or equivalent)
* Biology - one year of general biology with laboratory (Biology 5A, 5LA, 5B, and 5C or equivalent)
* Mathematics - one year of college mathematics to include introductory calculus and statistics (Mathematics 9A, 9B and one course from Statistics 100A, 105, 120A or equivalent)
* A one-quarter course in biochemistry to cover structure, function, and metabolism of biological molecules (Biochemistry 100 or 110A and 110B or equivalent), while not required for admission is highly recommended. Courses in Spanish language and the humanities are also highly recommended.
</code></pre>

<p>In addition to the above prerequisites, a strong candidate for admission to the UCR/UCLA Program has a strong undergraduate academic record and an excellent score on the MCAT. The strong candidate also shows a commitment to a career in medicine as demonstrated by volunteerism in medicine, clinical experience, or research. </p>

<p>A solid record of community service is highly desired. It is important that applicants have made a difference to those around them. Examples of community service pursuits include volunteer work, leadership in campus organizations, mentor service for a peer or youth group, and commitment to and participation in religious or service organizations. </p>

<p>Letters of reference. Applicants must submit letters from individuals such as professors and those who can speak about the applicant's educational talents, character, work ethic, motivation, special traits, and positive influence on others.</p>

<p>Admission Interview. Qualified applicants will be invited to interview and have the opportunity to talk about themselves, their special qualities, and demonstrate their ability to interact with others.</p>

<p>How is the program more intensive? You take the those pre-req courses with other UCR students who are overall not on par with UCLA/UCSD/UCB students. Why is it more intensive than taking the same courses at the aforementioned schools where the student talent is far greater.</p>

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<ol>
<li>curves arent set by the bottom scores, but by the top</li>
<li>those top students here are high</li>
<li>thus with 1 and 2 in mind, we have high curves, meaning you have to do very well on exams. </li>
<li>in order to prevent said top students from getting 100%s easily, teachers have made their tests cover more indepth parts of the material</li>
<li>so with 3 and 4 in mind, you have to study more and deeper in order to do well on exams </li>
<li>this really sucks for bio majors who arent capable of getting into berkeley
7 with 6 in mind, we have a very high amount of psychology majors.</li>
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<ol>
<li><p>Curves are SET by the average SCORES and the standard deviation is often used to establish the differences between letter grades.</p></li>
<li><p>Why would test at UCR be harder than those of UC Berkeley, UCLA and UCSD? Since they have overall stronger students, their test would be MORE indepth than UCR to establish the natural breakdowns of scores to award the top grades.</p></li>
<li><p>The top 25% of the top students at the top three UC's are far strong than the top 25% of UCR.</p></li>
</ol>

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<p>First of all, your arguments are based off the fact that a colleges overall student body determines the strength of a bio test? thats just not using your head. So lets just focus on biology for a sec, even you will admit that our biology students are "closer" to that of those 3 you mentioned. </p>

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<li><p>Curves are set different from course to course and so you really cant assume our curving rate works so simply. Ill give you an example. Last quarters' Bio5A class consisted of 566 registered students; 7 got As. </p></li>
<li><p>"Why would test at UCR be harder than those of UC Berkeley, UCLA and UCSD?" This is simple even if you believe the caliber of students is HUGE. Cal, UCLA, and UCSD do not have the Thomas Haider Program and thus do not require to as drastically string out the bio students. More simply put, UCB and UCLA can afford to give more As and be easier. </p></li>
<li><p>pointless statistic to the argument even if it is true for the above mentioned reason.</p></li>
<li><p>If a biology student cannot make it here, they are told to either transfer to UCLA or UCSD by their academic adviser,(or simply take those courses there) or to simply switch majors. (And they usually are able to and get considerably better grades) Berkeley is considered to have a slightly more difficult than them and comparably on par with UCR, although I have consistently heard the latter is still considered more difficult.</p></li>
<li><p>On a final note, more students from UCR go to UCLA med school than any other institution in the country. (cus of the THP) if we were crapping out on our part of the bargain do you think UCLA would keep it going? They have less than a 5% acceptance rate and could have their pick of the best of the best.</p></li>
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<p>on another note</p>

<p>compare our current topic to discussion title</p>

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<p>Course gradings vary from professor to professor and one class that only had 7 A's seems to be out the norm. Yes, the other schools do not have a Thomas Haider program but either does Yale, Stanford, or even John Hopkins does that make UCR harder? </p>

<p>You assume that whole student body in the biology program is in there for the Thomas Haider program and all got into the other top UC's. </p>

<p>The reality is that schools like UCLA and UCSD have about 15-20% of their undergraduate population being life science majors and about 85%+ being pre med/pharma/dentistry. Those schools will be ultra competitive for grades regardless due to the sheer number of pre health students. With stronger students overall in these programs than UCR, the competition is intense for top grades. </p>

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If a biology student cannot make it here, they are told to either transfer to UCLA or UCSD by their academic adviser

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<p>HAHAHA, that's like saying if you can't make it at BU, transfer to Harvard. </p>

<p>Lets look at the overall quality of UCR pre-meds:</p>

<p><a href="http://mdapplicants.com/searchresults.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://mdapplicants.com/searchresults.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The following profiles matched your search:
00855 Cal Riverside, 23 MCAT, 3.42 GPA, applied 2003
00357 UC Riverside, 29 MCAT, 3.39 GPA, applied 2003
01342 UC Riverside, 29 MCAT, 3.71 GPA, applied 2004
04680 UC Riverside, 27 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2006
02637 UC Riverside, 40 MCAT, 4.00 GPA, applied 2004
01036 UC Riverside, 30 MCAT, 3.62 GPA, applied 2004
03788 UC Riverside, 31 MCAT, 3.59 GPA, applied 2005
01305 University of California Riverside, 28 MCAT, 3.55 GPA, applied 2003
01412 University of California, Riverside, 26 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2001</p>

<p>00358 UCSD, 31 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2003
00662 UCSD, 30 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2003
01819 UCSD, 29 MCAT, 3.53 GPA, applied 2004
02328 UCSD, 33 MCAT, 3.87 GPA, applied 2005
04861 UCSD, 36 MCAT, 3.67 GPA, applied 2006
00433 UCSD, 29 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2003
00705 UCSD, 36 MCAT, 3.65 GPA, applied 2002
01900 UCSD, 32 MCAT, 3.91 GPA, applied 2004
04075 UCSD, 31 MCAT, 3.45 GPA, applied 2006
05101 UCSD, 33 MCAT, 3.69 GPA, applied 2006
00966 UCSD, 29 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2000
01041 UCSD, 36 MCAT, 3.26 GPA, applied 2004
02075 UCSD, 26 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2004
03387 UCSD, 30 MCAT, 3.59 GPA, applied 2005
05649 UCSD, 28 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2007
00571 UCSD, 31 MCAT, 3.30 GPA, applied 2003
01538 UCSD, 33 MCAT, 3.44 GPA, applied 2004
02099 UCSD, 26 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2003
04519 UCSD, 36 MCAT, 3.41 GPA, applied 2006
00065 UC San Diego, 31 MCAT, 3.77 GPA, applied 2003
00580 UC San Diego, 35 MCAT, 3.44 GPA, applied 2002
01181 UC San Diego, 31 MCAT, 3.45 GPA, applied 2004
03223 UC San Diego, 36 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2006
03818 UC San Diego, 40 MCAT, 3.78 GPA, applied 2006
00735 UC San Diego, 31 MCAT, 3.78 GPA, applied 2003
00647 UC San Diego, 31 MCAT, 3.81 GPA, applied 2001
01546 UC San Diego, 34 MCAT, 3.58 GPA, applied 2004
03786 UC San Diego, 36 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2005
03882 UC San Diego, 27 MCAT, 3.73 GPA, applied 2006
00294 UC San Diego, 34 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2003
00954 UC San Diego, 36 MCAT, 3.57 GPA, applied 2004
02216 UC San Diego, 32 MCAT, 3.65 GPA, applied 2005
04052 UC San Diego, 37 MCAT, 3.92 GPA, applied 2006
00312 UC San Diego, 28 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2003
01067 UC San Diego, 33 MCAT, 3.20 GPA, applied 2004
03176 UC San Diego, 38 MCAT, 3.98 GPA, applied 2005
03668 UC San Diego, 34 MCAT, 3.35 GPA, applied 2005</p>

<p>03213 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.49 GPA, applied 2005
03344 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.52 GPA, applied 2005
03744 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.25 GPA, applied 2006
04091 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2006
04984 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2006
05428 ucla, 31 MCAT, 3.38 GPA, applied 2006
00076 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.42 GPA, applied 2002
00151 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.20 GPA, applied 2003
00262 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.74 GPA, applied 2003
00349 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.68 GPA, applied 2003
01187 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.63 GPA, applied 2004
00579 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2003
00628 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.77 GPA, applied 2003
00723 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2002
00890 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.59 GPA, applied 2003
01195 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.78 GPA, applied 2004
01508 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2004
01706 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.84 GPA, applied 2004
01864 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2004
02028 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.76 GPA, applied 2004
03398 UCLA, 40 MCAT, 3.61 GPA, applied 2005
02672 UCLA, 27 MCAT, 3.56 GPA, applied 2001
03270 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.58 GPA, applied 2005
03529 UCLA, 40 MCAT, 3.78 GPA, applied 2006
03771 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2005
04099 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.47 GPA, applied 2006
04882 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.68 GPA, applied 2006
05583 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.36 GPA, applied 2006
00104 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.77 GPA, applied 2003
00216 UCLA, 26 MCAT, 3.45 GPA, applied 2003
00274 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.49 GPA, applied 2003
00379 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.84 GPA, applied 2003
00730 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.88 GPA, applied 2003
00600 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2003
00629 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.49 GPA, applied 2003
00800 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2003
01098 ucla, 33 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2004
01234 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2004
01712 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2004
01746 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2004
01875 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.77 GPA, applied 2004
02047 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.35 GPA, applied 2004
02435 UCLA, 27 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2005
03062 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.45 GPA, applied 2005
03140 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.89 GPA, applied 2005
03539 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.45 GPA, applied 2005
03772 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2005
04378 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2006
05150 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.78 GPA, applied 2006
06345 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.67 GPA, applied 2006
00125 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2003
00220 UCLA, 39 MCAT, 3.95 GPA, applied 2003
00291 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2002
00383 UCLA, 36 MCAT, 3.73 GPA, applied 2001
00515 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2003
00607 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.88 GPA, applied 2003
00636 UCLA, 28 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2003
00842 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.39 GPA, applied 2003
01122 UCLA, 39 MCAT, 3.56 GPA, applied 2004
01316 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2004
01598 UCLA, 35 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2004
01761 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2004
01882 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.87 GPA, applied 2005
02073 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.46 GPA, applied 2004
02349 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 2.90 GPA, applied 2004
03304 ucla, 29 MCAT, 2.70 GPA, applied 2005
03300 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2005
03557 UCLA, 30 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2005
03844 UCLA, 28 MCAT, 3.37 GPA, applied 2004
04627 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2002
05316 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.37 GPA, applied 2006
00144 UCLA, 36 MCAT, 3.49 GPA, applied 2002
00242 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 1995
00429 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2003
00406 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.56 GPA, applied 2003
00568 UCLA, 32 MCAT, 3.20 GPA, applied 2003
00623 UCLA, 37 MCAT, 3.56 GPA, applied 2003
00643 UCLA, 34 MCAT, 3.19 GPA, applied 2003
00916 UCLA, 25 MCAT, 3.30 GPA, applied 2003
01154 UCLA, 33 MCAT, 3.71 GPA, applied 2004
01371 UCLA, 37 MCAT, 3.62 GPA, applied 2004
01635 ucla, 30 MCAT, 3.36 GPA, applied 2003
01793 UCLA, 27 MCAT, 3.68 GPA, applied 2001
01940 UCLA, 41 MCAT, 4.00 GPA, applied 2004
02459 UCLA, 29 MCAT, 3.71 GPA, applied 2005
02546 UCLA, 31 MCAT, 3.92 GPA, applied 2005
02913 UCLA, 36 MCAT, 3.65 GPA, applied 2005</p>

<p>00046 UCB, 37 MCAT, 3.95 GPA, applied 2001
00322 UCB, 38 MCAT, 3.72 GPA, applied 2003
00132 UCB, 38 MCAT, 4.00 GPA, applied 2002
00340 UCB, 30 MCAT, 3.92 GPA, applied 2003
00139 UCB, 38 MCAT, 4.00 GPA, applied 2003
00621 UCB, 33 MCAT, 3.89 GPA, applied 2003
00301 UCB, 31 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2003
00689 UCB, 32 MCAT, 3.57 GPA, applied 2003
04755 U.C Berkeley, 25 MCAT, 3.20 GPA, applied 2006
01641 U.C. Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.46 GPA, applied 2004
03454 U.C. Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.59 GPA, applied 2006
02765 UC Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.07 GPA, applied 2005
03620 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.61 GPA, applied 2006
04273 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.96 GPA, applied 2005
00030 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.86 GPA, applied 2003
00546 UC Berkeley, 39 MCAT, 3.94 GPA, applied 2003
00699 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2003
00798 UC Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.71 GPA, applied 2003
01111 UC Berkeley, 40 MCAT, 3.00 GPA, applied 2004
01462 UC Berkeley, 40 MCAT, 3.93 GPA, applied 2004
01738 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 2.49 GPA, applied 2000
02523 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.10 GPA, applied 2005
01874 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2002
03312 UC Berkeley, 39 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2005
02258 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 2.90 GPA, applied 2005
02438 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2005
03883 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.94 GPA, applied 2004
04297 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.96 GPA, applied 2006
05169 UC Berkeley, 29 MCAT, 3.30 GPA, applied 2006
00489 UC Berkeley, 38 MCAT, 3.85 GPA, applied 2003
00638 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.55 GPA, applied 2003
00712 UC Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.47 GPA, applied 2003
00859 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.39 GPA, applied 2003
01121 UC Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2004
01243 UC Berkeley, 30 MCAT, 3.54 GPA, applied 2004
02886 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.67 GPA, applied 2005
01680 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.81 GPA, applied 2004
01968 UC Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2003
02085 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2004
02511 UC Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.96 GPA, applied 2005
03887 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.76 GPA, applied 2006
04778 UC Berkeley, 29 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2006
05267 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.87 GPA, applied 2006
00213 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2003
00491 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.95 GPA, applied 2003
00950 UC Berkeley, 30 MCAT, 3.66 GPA, applied 2004
01038 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.76 GPA, applied 2004
01442 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.50 GPA, applied 2004
01253 UC Berkeley, 42 MCAT, 3.99 GPA, applied 2004
01336 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.75 GPA, applied 2004
01562 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2004
01745 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2004
02030 UC Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.62 GPA, applied 2004
02444 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.60 GPA, applied 2006
02308 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.87 GPA, applied 2005
03760 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.59 GPA, applied 2005
05286 UC Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.81 GPA, applied 2006
04737 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.41 GPA, applied 2006
05943 UC Berkeley, 30 MCAT, 3.10 GPA, applied 2006
00309 UC BERKELEY, 38 MCAT, 3.98 GPA, applied 2002
00598 UC Berkeley, 38 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2002
00682 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2001
00785 UC Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 2.86 GPA, applied 2003
01060 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.33 GPA, applied 2001
01186 UC Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2004
01429 UC Berkeley, 39 MCAT, 3.64 GPA, applied 2004
01346 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2004
01630 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2004
01818 UC Berkeley, 38 MCAT, 3.90 GPA, applied 2002
02005 UC Berkeley, 36 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2005
03313 UC Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.23 GPA, applied 2005
02411 UC Berkeley, 37 MCAT, 3.98 GPA, applied 2005
02718 UC Berkeley, 38 MCAT, 3.99 GPA, applied 2006
03087 UC Berkeley, 33 MCAT, 3.88 GPA, applied 2005
00988 University of California Berkeley, 31 MCAT, 3.40 GPA, applied 2004
03732 University of California Berkeley, 27 MCAT, 3.07 GPA, applied 2006
02598 University of California Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.42 GPA, applied 2005
03233 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2005
00630 University of California, Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.80 GPA, applied 2003
01017 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.42 GPA, applied 2004
01320 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.73 GPA, applied 2004
02273 University of California, Berkeley, 35 MCAT, 3.51 GPA, applied 2005
02954 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2004
00667 University of California, Berkeley, 34 MCAT, 3.93 GPA, applied 2003
00774 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.20 GPA, applied 1999
02955 University of California, Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.82 GPA, applied 2005
00978 University of California, Berkeley, 28 MCAT, 3.70 GPA, applied 2004
00075 University of California-Berkeley, 32 MCAT, 3.83 GPA, applied 2003</p>

<p>First off, UCR does not have as many pre meds.</p>

<p>Second, your MCAT scores are significantly LOWER.</p>

<p>Third, if you go into the search and look at individual profiles students from these top 3 UC's got into FAR better schools on average.</p>

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<ol>
<li><p>Does that mdapplicants.com contain all of a universities med applicants? No</p></li>
<li><p>Do people who get into the thomas haider program apply to medschools, giving them at least stuff to list on that site? I can only think of one off the top of my head and he was a rhode's scholar finalist, and thus he was applying for that reason. That would also explain the few number of UCR apps listed.</p></li>
<li><p>With that in mind you would essentially be looking at the bottom barrel of our med applicant list, except for perhaps that 4.0 40 MCAT score.</p></li>
<li><p>No I do not assume everybody here is for the THP program, but I assume (and know) a significant number of them are and thus they almost completeley dominate the spectrum.</p></li>
<li><p>But basically with the selectivity you employed in selecting your data, you could have proven intelligent design to be viable.</p></li>
</ol>

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<p>Only 24 students are in THP. The rest that didn't get in have to apply to meds elsewhere. </p>

<p>MDapplicants has med applicants from all students who visit the site.
It certainly has UCR on there.</p>

<p>How does my selection prove intelligent design? All I did was copy and paste "riverside" in undergrad institution and the results. I pulled all applicants from the 4 UC's we are comparing. </p>

<p>I find it funny how you think that UCR biology program is on par with nationally recognized programs like Berkeley and UCSD who are noted as leaders in the field.</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/biochemistry/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/biochemistry/rank&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/cell-biology/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/cell-biology/rank&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/ecology/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/ecology/rank&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/genetics/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/genetics/&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/neuroscience/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/neuroscience/rank&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/pharmacology/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/pharmacology/rank&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.phds.org/rankings/physiology/rank%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phds.org/rankings/physiology/rank&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UCSD/UCLA/UCB are consistently top ranked programs.
UCI/UCSB/UCD are consistently all higher than UCR.</p>

<p>In general, the better the biology program the stronger the medical school applicants.</p>