<p>^GOP is the Party of Hypocrites. Bush’s prescription drug bill expanded government health coverage. And the deficit that republicans whine about? Like $600 billion of that deficit is because of bush’s tax cuts and the iraq/afghanistan war. I want to see what kind of face republicans make when they hear about this fact. It’d be funny to see them flabbergasted or in denial.</p>
<p>^wait do you mean using a budget model that incorporates 10 years of tax receipt to fund 6 years of obamacare and say it saves money and would cut deficit? or do you mean the government takeover of 16% of our economy? or do you mean the stimulus bills that worked so well and resulted in nothing?
It’s funny how us in the top 1% of household income pay more than 40% of the nation’s total tax and the leftist still want us to pay for the majority of the lazy poor’s obamacare.</p>
<p>You want to talk about hypocrisy? Ask the anointed one about Gitmo. Oh wait what? Gitmo’s still open?</p>
<p>I’m not talking about obama, I’m talking about republicans. Conservatives are quick to attack the other side when they are exposed. Its funny. Its even funnier that they aren’t embarrassed by themselves.</p>
<p>Obama has his own problems, and hes only been in office for 2 years, people should stop whining about things not getting done as fast as they want it. Gitmo? I’m sure obama wants to close it but hes got other things keeping him busy. There is probably a long process of closing the place. He can’t just say “close it” and then it closes. It isn’t that easy. </p>
<p>The economic problem and the housing bubble has been building up for many years, don’t expect whoever is in office to fix everything in a few years. We have a capitalist economy: there will be ups and downs. I highly doubt that if mccain was in office, whatever he did to help it probably wouldn’t be any better than what obama did. The recession is going to run its course regardless of who does what. Stop whining like babies ppl.</p>
<p>“Conservatives are quick to attack the other side”</p>
<p>and Liberals dont… sure… whatever you say man… It’s funny how the hypocrite is accusing other hypocrites for hypocrisy.
Face it, all politicians are selfish hypocrites who do things based on their self interest. You would be insanely naive to think that your congressmen work for you. They work for the polls/votes. We as citizens just align ourselves with those whose agenda so happen to fit our goals.</p>
<p>Somehow I had the impression bearcats was a Libertarian.</p>
<p>I would take Ron Paul over both obama and mccain in a heartbeat so you could say that. I believe in classical liberalism.</p>
<p>both sides are hypocritical. But my point was that the GOP’s hypocrisy is recent and very obvious. They have absolutely no right to go blasting obama for doing things they did only a few years ago. </p>
<p>“libertarian” “green party” “socialism” “classical liberalism” <–lol *** never heard of that
“conservative”</p>
<p>Really, why do people have to take draw lines and make it a “we vs you”? Moderation should be the way people do politics. Compromise means that everyone is initially a little bit unhappy, but at the end of the day, everyone is better as a result. The selfishness and greed that people have (“we HAVE to have (insert left/right policy here) or I’m not voting for the bill”) is what makes our government inefficient and stupid.</p>
<p>“But my point was that the GOP’s hypocrisy is recent and very obvious.”</p>
<p>Again, Obama’s hypocrisy is not? “The time for bickering is over” and he was the one bickering. How bout going around talking about earmarks while the obamacare bill itself is full of earmarks so he could get it passed? How bout going around with the populist movement and criticizing wallstreet while wallstreet IS in fact one of his biggest donors?
Hypocrisy defines politics. There’s no recent hypocrisy. Most politicians are hypocrites themselves.</p>
<p>“Moderation should be the way people do politics.”</p>
<p>Sure. but neither side would use moderation. So what’s your point? You can’t keep a straight face and tell me that obama is not all the way to the left… There is no compromise because neither side is willing to.</p>
<p>“The selfishness and greed that people have (“we HAVE to have (insert left/right policy here) or I’m not voting for the bill”) is what makes our government inefficient and stupid.”</p>
<p>Governments are inherently inefficient. That’s why limited government is good. The ever expanding public sector these days is not helping.</p>
<p>btw classical liberalism is what most founding father believed in just so you know. Most of the founding fathers were liberals (18-19th century version of liberalism mind you) and believed in limited government, personal freedom, individualism, equality, and limited taxation.
Then came 20th century and the liberals broke into classical liberalism and modern liberalism because of disagreement in fundamental belief. Modern liberalism is what you call liberals these days and classical liberalism is what is mainly known as libertarianism.</p>
<p>I side with the conservatives these days because the liberals in power are radical and spiraling out of control and they must be stopped (like this healthcare bill that the majority of americans oppose according to virtually every poll and they still try to ram down our throat) .
Normally i would side with the conservatives on fiscal/economic/taxation issues and with the liberals on social issues (like the right to abortion).</p>
<p>“You could easily make a case for the following top 30 schools being better than Michigan
USC, UCLA, UNC, Duke, Texas, Notre Dame”</p>
<p>Bearcats, that statement is wrong. Those schools may match Michigan athletically, but they are not “easily better”. We are talking about sports programs, not the 2008-2009 or 2009-2010 seasons. If we are talking about college athletics, Michigan is #1, along with 3 or 4 other schools, including Stanford and UCLA.</p>
<p>If you are talking about sports that people care about (aka revenue generating sports), USC and Texas trump Michigan in both football and basketball for at least the past 10 years.</p>
<p>If you are talking about sports programs overall, then directors cup would be a good metric. Stanford has won it for 15 years in a row.</p>
<p>bearcats, whether you look at major revenue sports or at sports programs overall, Michigan is among the top 3 or 4. </p>
<p>And bearcats, I don’t care about the last decade. I care about tradition. Michigan is #1 in football. #1 in terms of games won and #1 in terms of winning percentage. Michigan is also #1 in Hockey. Our Basketball program was never great, but it was solid in the 80s. Hopefully, it will rebound.</p>
<p>dude i was commenting on whoever’s statement saying Michigan’s sports program is better than every top30 school. Fact is, you cant make a definitive statement because it is not necessarily true. It is not <em>BETTER</em> than all top 30 schools</p>
<p>Ok, so let me interject, as this post has simply dumbfounded me. Remember the thread title? Goods and Bads of Michigan? Four pages and I got like seven. Yeah, this is the internet, shrouded with anonymity so it’s obvious that this is typical, but people really need to mature.</p>
<p>On dining etiquette: Wow, Bearcats, I could not stop laughing when you said it only sounds elitist, but then elaborated, on why knowing the fish knife is so important, when clearly, it’s not when it comes down to how well you can do your job. You may just need to conform to the elitist MD at the table who may be judging you, but it IS ELITIST no matter how you slice it.</p>
<p>On Elitism: Elitism is a term used by people who are lazy as an attack on those who are very competitive and want those high-tier jobs. While that is an obvious over generalization, it’s basically true. I can respect those people who do what they need to do to get far in the world that they want to succeed in, but it really takes an idiot or someone who is strong-willed enough to stand up for their belief that knowing what a fish knife is doesn’t apply to your ability to do a job, but sorry for those strong-willed or idiotic people, employers don’t want you to stand up to them–sorry.</p>
<p>On Sports: Simply, Michigan has a good athletic program, and we have a new athletic director, now whether that will be good or bad has yet to be seen, but overall it’s a pretty solid program, and what’s happening in sports now has absolutely no effect on your four years at Michigan, as the starting players, the most skilled, are cycled in and out every year to accommodate those players who start playing at the professional level, and some teams will have better recruits than others, so you can’t say Michigan can’t have amazing football (or even Basketball) seasons for the next four years, regardless of their current state. Not to mention, Michigan has turned around their hockey season (or so I hear), and hockey is definitely an entertaining sport, but most people don’t give it credit, but if you go to Michigan, it will definitely become a bigger part of your life and you will appreciate the sport in your time there if you’re even somewhat interested in Michigan’s sports program.</p>
<p>On Competitiveness: It’s both a good and a bad, as you said Bearcats, you can shine at a laid-back school, but it doesn’t push you as hard. However, my preference is the former in the eyes of an employer. Also, being career oriented is the whole point of college, not to learn. You’re going to get a degree, and then get a job, more than 99% of you. If learning is really your target, you should become a professor or go make some money and go back to college, but I seriously doubt that that’s the case for most of you. And yes, you can find students of every caliber and you’ll find your cup of tea in people you want to hang out with, but one of the reasons I wanted to go to USC over Michigan (or any private top-10 school for that matter) is that the average student is intelligent, and didn’t get in based on residency, so you don’t have to sit down and analyze and judge every person you meet trying to find out their level of mental capacity, especially when you meet people at a party, which isn’t exactly the most in-depth way of meeting people.</p>
<p>On Politics: I’m not here to argue politics, but my personal preference is to destroy partisanship, because it puts a label on you and you can’t have your own beliefs on each issue, granted they are fundamentally based in a partisan system, not every issue is the same. and @Bearcats, yes the GOP attacks the Democratic Party much more harshly than the Democrats attack the GOP, it’s fact, I mean I find myself being more liberal than conservative, but I get extremely ****ed when the Democrats have no backbone to stand up to the GOP, and as a result, they get nothing done. </p>
<p>On Political Correctness: Being “Politically Correct” is the same as being elitist in my mind. You’re conforming to what people feel is right to say, as if you need to impress them, similar to the etiquette debate, and I don’t think you need to say what is considered “Politically Correct” to get across your point, and doing so actually can hurt what you’re saying because it has less emotion because it’s more formal and doesn’t express it the exact way it’s meant to be. There’s a reason that the English language has so many words for the same thing. It’s all in the connotation.</p>
<p>On Bearcats: As much as I’m going to regret giving him his own section, people need to get their heads on straight. Bearcats is a certain type of person, and everyone is just fueling him with arguments that they know are going to infuriate him and make him keep talking. Now I wont say that’s entirely bad, being that assertive type of person that argues his point even when it’s completely wrong is what makes people good at going for those top tier jobs that he wants. People should really just consider his opinion and get over the fact that he’s not going to paint a pretty picture for applicants considering Michigan, and if anything, it’s good to have that side so the incoming freshmen can know what to expect, because most people on CC wont give the bad, and that’s just unfortunate.</p>
<p>Discuss, because I won’t.</p>
<p>“dude i was commenting on whoever’s statement saying Michigan’s sports program is better than every top30 school. Fact is, you cant make a definitive statement because it is not necessarily true. It is not <em>BETTER</em> than all top 30 schools”</p>
<p>I agree that Michigan’s sports program is not definitely “better” than all top 30 schools. Schools like Duke, Stanford, UNC, USC, UT etc…can certainly lay as legitimate claim. I believe Michigan can make as strong an argument as any top university and that no university, elite or otherwise, can legitimately claim to have a better sports program than Michigan.</p>
<p>I will choose to comment on this because it’s the one thing that hasn’t been addressed that bothers me:</p>
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<p>I am focusing on the “any classes” remark. You are biased because you are an engineer (albeit IOEasy), but not all SS/HU LSA classes are, as you paint it, a cake walk. I absolutely agree with you that you can pick out a very large chunk of easy coursework from LSA, but there is also a large chunk of difficult coursework. Have you ever taken an upper level philosophy course? One of the more writing-intensive polisci or history courses? Upper level foreign language? </p>
<p>Quant majors love to claim that their coursework is, above all, the hardest material offered. I agree that concentrations in CS/Math/Physics/the tougher engineering majors are certainly harder than most of the other LSA majors for the average person. However, I guarantee you that a lot of quant majors (including top students) would not consider many “softer” classes “easy”, and many would consider some of those classes to be significantly harder than a lot of their quant coursework.</p>
<p>Quick question for current male students, how are the girls? I read in a thread a while back that Michigan is kinda lacking in the attractive female department. Is this true? </p>
<p>Also, how preppy is the University? I know this sounds like a stupid freshman question, but I am dead serious about this. I want to know lmao.</p>
<p>WolfPackFan, your first question is not worth answering. Michigan has 13,000 undergraduate female students. I am fairly certainly hundreds, if not thousands of those ladies will be out of your league.</p>
<p>As for the second question, Michigan is not preppy. It definitely has a lot of blue blood/wealthy students, but students tend to be down to Earth and approachable.</p>
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<p>yessss pwned!</p>
<p>Could anyone PLEASEE give me any info on EGL? I want to know everything about it, but specifically, how difficult it is to fulfill the credit requirements, and how much it helps in finding a good job after you graduate.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>WolfPackfan, I second alexandre’s comment. It’s a no brainer that any U has a mixmatch of the typical, less attractive girls and some hot as **** chicks. You don’t have to worry about that. I can tell ya, michigan has plenty hot chicks.</p>