<p>LOL. Damn Gabe, every post you make doesn't have anything to do w/helping this guy. It's all about criticizing the people who actually try to help him. I know SATs are not required (hell, everyone knows that). I am just saying that if he can get a high score and puts it in his app., then that would help him. Geez, Mr. quote others and try to make them feel dumb so i can feel smart. LOL</p>
<p>Quote:I'm not going to address what aznhyboi said, because it is clear to any reasonable reader that he holds an extreme bias in favor of those who are applying to be freshmen. I think he is greatly unaware of the work it takes in community college, taking college courses, to earn a good gpa and do the other things necessary to transfer to the top UCs.</p>
<p>Gabe, I think you should stop talking about high school this and that because the man is GOING TO TRANSFER THERE. LMAO. This is the transfer forum is it not? And I would have to disagree with you anyways. So does aznboi and hobo. I guess you stand alone.</p>
<p>like i said before, i'm not trying to discredit transfer students, in fact i am one. But i think its painfully obvious that highschool kids have to jump through more hoops than we do. Doing well on all the SAT's (including SAT II's, extracurriculars, GPA etc..) while all we have to worry about is GPA, even extracurriculars don't play that much of a factor.</p>
<p>And I was pointing out, McChowder, that mentioning the SAT will not help him; they don't want SAT scores. </p>
<p>McChowder, whether or not I "stand alone" is irrelevent. I point out what I conceive to be misguiding and/or inaccurate. It is incumbent upon the reader to evaluate what is said and come to a judgment. My concern isn't with any particular person on the forum, but instead ANY reader, if you can understand that.</p>
<p>Hobo, many students who get a stellar high school gpa and great SAT and do tons of extracurriculars go to college and fail. College is not high school. High school is not college. We cannot act like the two are the same. We cannot say that high school gpa is like a college gpa, certainly not in determining how likely a student is to succeed in college. For that matter, we cannot say that all those things: high school ecs, gpa, SATs, etc. are equivalent to their counterparts for transfers. It is erroneous to come to a quick judgment that getting in from high school is harder than getting in as a transfer.</p>
<p>They don't want SAT scores? Or they don't require SAT scores. I am positive that if he reports really high SAT scores on his app., he will be in a better position for admission. LMAO. They app. reviewers are most likely not gonna be like u and say, "Why the hell did he post his SAT score of 1560 (old score system)? We dont want this score!" and not consider it. LOL.</p>
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I am positive that if he reports really high SAT scores on his app., he will be in a better position for admission.
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It will not make a serious difference. Even outside of the UC system, an SAT score is not that important when a person has two years of college grades behind them. College grades are far more useful in determining how successful a student will be in college! It is not worth the effort to go and take the test now, etc.--there are many, many more things a prospective applicant can do that will be more useful.</p>
<p>I wasn't comparing highschool and college. I was saying that getting into the UC's from highschool is a lot harder to do than from a community college. Sure some fail, but i'm sure some transfer students fail as well. A lot of it doesn't have to do with academics. I can speak from personal experience that living by yourself without any parental figures can have a detrimental experience to your gpa if one isn't disciplined. </p>
<p>The UC's have a great transfer program, but it really shouldn't be compared to highschool admissions. I know numerous people with 3.3's getting into Cal and LA. Are you telling me that the kids who got good grades, good test scores and got into CAL and UCLA could not pull off 3.3 at a community college? </p>
<p>I went to a competitive highschool, so my experience may be different than yours but i know for from experience that a lot of community college courses aren't half as hard as the AP courses in my highschool.</p>
<p>Also, in case you forgot, the uc transfer application doesn't even have a spot to input your SAT scores so it is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Finally, you make sense! Before, u said, "What are you talking about? SATs are not considered at all for transfer admission." Now, u corrected yourself and have said, "It will not make a serious difference." You started this argument because I said, "If you are a really good test taker, taking the SAT's wouldn't hurt. If you get really low scores, just don't report them in the app. If that sounds like too much 4 u, then screw the SATs." Now you agree w/me. LMAO.</p>
<p>P.S. I think you should read CAREFULLY what others say. Most of your random criticisms attack what you THOUGHT somebody said instead of what was really meant. LMAO.</p>
<p>McChowder, that's why I use quotations. I encourage you to do so as well.</p>
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I wasn't comparing highschool and college. I was saying that getting into the UC's from highschool is a lot harder to do than from a community college.
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You just contradicted yourself.
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Sure some fail, but i'm sure some transfer students fail as well.
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The point is that high school success is by far less of an indicator of college success than a college record itself!!! Self-evident...
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Are you telling me that the kids who got good grades, good test scores and got into CAL and UCLA could not pull off 3.3 at a community college?
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I am saying that high school is very different than college. Some high school students with high gpas can't even pass the high school exit exam, let alone necessarily succeed in any form of college. Either way, the burden is on you (or anyone else making the claim in the dubious comparison between transfers and freshmen applicants); look at the statistics.
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I went to a competitive highschool, so my experience may be different than yours but i know for from experience that a lot of community college courses aren't half as hard as the AP courses in my highschool.
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Yes, you are using personal, subjective evidence instead of statistics. The bottom line is that a great high school record doesn't always lead to college success; I believe that was a key assumption that underlies the hasty conclusion that kids out of high school have to work way harder than transfers.</p>
<p>G1a2b3e, it seems like everytime I try to help someone out with transferring, you seem to give your rude remarks and always try to prove me wrong.. Do you think I have a bias towards HS students? I am a student who graduated HS with a 960 SAT (when the highest was 1600 back then), really low GPA, and did nothing but go out. Now I am in community college, picked up my act, and became really motivated to transfer. You ask my GPA? 4.0 cum with mostly honors classes. I certainly have a bias towards CCC's if anything. </p>
<p>I'm also sure almost everyone here has gotten into arguments with people who got into UC's straight out of HS. Why do you think they are so bitter? Because it is so easy to get in from CCC's. For godsakes open your stubborn eyes and realize that you are wrong. We are here together as transfer students and yet all we do is criticize each other and becaus eof what? Our opinions? Who cares what you or I think? I'm just here trying to help motivated students out and you are here to prove everyone wrong. You need to just go to Berkeley and prove to them that transfer students are just as intellectual and capable as those cocky HS admitted students.</p>
<p>And even after you graduate from Berkeley, your degree wiill only take you so far as your stubborness will only drag you down and be road blocks towards your success</p>
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You ask my GPA? 4.0 cum with mostly honors classes. I certainly have a bias towards CCC's if anything.
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No, that background very likely leads to a bias. You are a student who did the opposite of what I was saying is possible: doing good in high school and bad in college. If you let your personal experience cloud your judgment, you will not see through the bias.</p>
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I'm also sure almost everyone here has gotten into arguments with people who got into UC's straight out of HS. Why do you think they are so bitter? Because it is so easy to get in from CCC's.
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Aha, who is to say their bitterness is warranted? This is a fallacious argument. Their bitterness has nothing to do with the argument. </p>
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And even after you graduate from Berkeley, your degree wiill only take you so far as your stubborness will only drag you down and be road blocks towards your success.
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This isn't about me. It's about conclusions that were made; conclusions that were not backed up with evidence. I merely pointed that out.</p>
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I'm just here trying to help motivated students out and you are here to prove everyone wrong.
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By providing a counterpoint to dubious assumptions, I am helping readers, lessening the chance of someone believing an assumption blindly.</p>
<p>It's debateable whether or not CC coursework is more difficult than some HS work. But since the CC, and college in general are more darwinian, in that it takes perserverance and personal motivation to crawl your a s s up out of bed and go to it everyday and navigate through it, I think big universities look upon this as an indicator of likely success in their schools--so much so that they're often willing to forego the review of SAT/ACT scores. Also, keep in mind, SAT/ACT are only used as indicators of how you will do in the first year of college--that's it. They're very good at predicting 1st year college success too (I've heard of "r" values as high as 0.87) But beyond that first year, many schools, (UC in particular, the college board's boards biggest customer) find SAT/ACT scores to be of marginal validity. Why Stanford, UChicago, Harvard, et. al. still require them, I can only guess it's elitism. </p>
<p>High school while it can be difficult, is required by law to attend, and there are a bunch of people whose job it is to make sure you go to class, aren't failing, etc.--no parents tell you to go to class in college unless you live at home I guess (even then...). College, whatever the type, requires more personal responsibility to be good at than HS does. I've found in my college career that it can often involve a good work ethic more so than pure smarts alone.</p>
<p>Just my $.02</p>
<p>College GPA is DIFFERENT from high school GPA and basically comparing these two different GPAs is pointless. Plus college courses generally are much harder with a faster pace than high school ones. I agree with Gabe in many points, too by the ways. </p>
<p>If you haven't taken any college course[s] even at a community college, you can't assume they are easy. You will see! High school is very very different from college. Also, not sure who have suffered in physics, organic chemistry, calculus, differential equations, some English and many other courses like these in college... If you think those are easy courses, you are qualified to be at least a genius-wanna-be.</p>
<p>why people are talking about SAT score all of the sudden, SAT not going to help you if you are transfering from a CC.</p>
<p>Yep, community college science courses are usually harder than high school.</p>
<p>Higher-level math or science courses at a CC are like a school within the school. A much harder school.</p>
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Why Stanford, UChicago, Harvard, et. al. still require them, I can only guess it's elitism.</p>
<p>High school while it can be difficult, is required by law to attend, and there are a bunch of people whose job it is to make sure you go to class, aren't failing, etc.--no parents tell you to go to class in college unless you live at home I guess (even then...). College, whatever the type, requires more personal responsibility to be good at than HS does.
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<p>I love you.</p>
<p>This is why I feel that a high community college GPA can generally mean a lot more than a high HS GPA. No PTA meetings, no school spirit, counselors treat you like **** lol, the teachers aren't gonna help you individually unless you see them yourself, etc. etc. I think most people in a community college with a 4.0 know exactly what their future plans are, while a lot of HS 4.0 students don't. In both cases the students with a concrete plan are more likely to accomplish their goals.</p>
<p>yea i agree with that ^....</p>
<p>a 4.0 college student means something..it usually means self discipline, motivation, drive....</p>
<p>a 4.0 high school student CAN mean that, but usually means someone who is good at busy work and/or needs to keep high grades in order to make other's happy.</p>
<p>College seems like its more about concentratingon/setting/and meeting goals...while high school, the usual goals are high grades, making the babll team, and meeting temporary/insignificant teenage goals.</p>
<p>Yeah, that is what i'm talking about; a GPA in college means something, mostly--responsibility, motivation, courage... </p>
<p>Also, I have meet bunch a totally different two classes of students: the super unmotivated (don't know what they are doing at all), and the genius-wanna-be (ruining the curve all the times) in my cummunity college. </p>
<p>Meeting the unmotivated bums, you feel like superiorily smart and even feel sorry for them but meeting the genius-wanna-be (math/science guru), you feel stupid because they are so smart.</p>
<p>So you don't wanna be influenced by the bums as well as you don't wanna lose your confidence by taking classes with so many smart genius-wanna-be who always ruin the freaking curves. Therefore, you have to look at yourself and don't compare with others but do your best--even better than your best. With that mind set, you will suceed in a community college.</p>