<p>i think ramses has a couple things going for him-</p>
<p>1) fluent in four languages
2) URM
3) average gpa, and decent sat's
4) legacy
5) seems to be a good debater, though he doesnt seem to have the stats "Lexy" has.</p>
<p>They're just part of it. If the numbers don't scream "I'M STUPID!" then they're going to give you a chance. They will evaluate the entire app and they expect you to actually have a life outside of "must...get...2400...SAT..."</p>
<p>The fact that you think everybody who tells him he has a chance at Ivy League is just trying to boost their own self-confidence is quite pathetic, and may say something about your own stats. And no, I haven't gotten my SAT scores yet.</p>
<p>Ramses, your college list seems fairly comprehensive; if you want, think about adding other LACs, if you do prefer them to Universities; Swarthmore, Hamilton, Colgate, lots of possibilities. Have you looked at the U of British Columbia?</p>
<p>Rita's right about Seattle weather...I moved to MN and, although the spring and fall rainy seasons are the best times of year in my opinion, it rains hard and hails often. Lots of thunderstorms too. I greatly prefer Seattle weather!</p>
<p>Lavender, not another holistic approach believer. Took at hard look at admit numbers and read the books. No one gets the deep look without first having the numbers.</p>
<p>suze you're so wrong about the whole "holistic approach" argument; while I will agree that there's a cutoff point for top schools (like if you dont have above a 2100 or so they probably wont bother examining your ECs or Essay) it's not as...inhumane as you make it seem. If it were, all the 2400 kids 4.0+ kids would get in- and frankly, they don't. Read that adcom's blog from MIT and maybe you can fix your skewed perspective.</p>
<p>monty--
looking at the concentrations, I will most likely apply to the Oriental Studies concentration there, it seems to be alot more serious and rigorous than similarly-named progams here in the US.</p>
<p>I think this discussion is really interesting because it's something I myself have not come to a conclusion about, which is why I'm asking you guys for input--yeah, I guess I do have a hook, but I'm not an amazing published scientist or anything. I have some pretty solid national level EC's, two years of an international internship, and I speak four languages fluently. On the other hand, my stats aren't all that impressive, in fact they would for sure put me directly into the reject bin for every single Ivy/top 20ish school if I did not have the EC's that I do.</p>
<p>finally, even though HYPSMDD sounds like some weird sexual perversion, i'm going to guess HYPSMD is harvard yale princeton stanford MIT and Dartmouth(?). I have no idea what the last D is for but maybe... Duke?</p>
<p>Ramses- according to my counselor WA public schools are not allowed to weight gpa's while ranking nor while sending your transcript, its a "legality issue."</p>
<p>hopefully those schools (the ivy's) take a look at your course load before throwing away your file. gl buddy.</p>
<p>You are kidding yourself about your ECs making up for low stats. It just doesn't work that way.</p>
<p>Many kids speak multiple languages, especially Asians. It's also something easy to claim. No ivy admissions office is going to blink. First you pass the stats test, which is what the majority of applicants can do, and then they see who has exceptional ECs. </p>
<p>The good news is that lavender is impressed!</p>
<p>Chillax: my counselor says you're wrong. they weight grades for class rank at my school, but weighted GPA is never released to colleges. So the class rank uses a weighted GPA, which is all that matters.</p>