<p>How do schools without doctorate programs compare to the ones with them? For example, is it better to go to a top 10 non-doctorate school than it is to go to a lower ranked doctorate school (say a college ranked 70th)?</p>
<p>The top Non-doctorate schools(Rose-Hulman, Harvey Mudd, etc.) emphasize undergraduate education and graduates from these schools are usually ready and qualified to work with only a Bachelors, or decide to go to another school for a Masters-PhD.</p>
<p>“is it better to go to a top 10 non-doctorate school than it is to go to a lower ranked doctorate school (say a college ranked 70th)?”</p>
<p>first of all, don’t use college rankings as a primary guide to college selection. The most important deciding factor should be where you WANT to go and where you think you will enjoy your 4+ years in school. </p>
<p>What two school are you comparing?</p>
<p>I currently go to Washington State, and I hate it. I was thinking about transferring to Cal Poly, either SLO or Pomona, or San Jose State.</p>
<p>I have heard great things about both Cal Poly schools. If you hate the school you are in you should transfer.</p>
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<p>As an engineering faculty member, you can also say that the non-PhD granting schools attracted a lower quality of faculty, as they pay less and have less opportunity for consulting. </p>
<p>The faculty may be more dedicated to teaching, but that means they also have to teach more students per semester, and they’ve not in tune with cutting edge research and techniques. Research faculty, on the other hand, have a more firm grasp of the material (they are the world experts on what they’re teaching), understand the underlying principals, and can therefore teach better.</p>
<p>…and you have likely never met any of the faculty from HMC, have you? If you had, you would not have said this. I guarantee it.</p>
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<p>I had people from my program go teach there, and I know several other faculty members.</p>
<p>and you have likely never met any of the faculty from Rose…because you would not have said this. </p>
<p>I totally have to disagree with G.P> Burdell</p>
<p>name 10 researchers/professors who were/are well known as a top top most recognized contributing icon in their respective industry from HMC or Rose…</p>
<p>I bet I could easily do that with MIT, Caltech, berkeley, Michigan engineering. Multiple nobel prize winner taught/teach at and researched/researches at these programs. Not so true for HMC or Rose.</p>
<p>Also, large research universities have much bigger alumni base/presences in various industry which helps in terms of networking and internship/job placement</p>
<p>Some program is hard to get in though. Cal Polys, HMC, Rose rate of getting for undergrad engineering from 10 to 50%.90% of profs there have a PhD from MIT, Cal Tech, USC, Berkley,…I think if u r super smart, It doesn’t matter what school you going to .</p>
<p>it’s not about difficulty of getting in. It’s about faculty quality and how up to date they are. A genius computer engineering professor with Phd from MIT 30 years ago isnt gonna be that helpful if he doesnt actively participate in research and get a survey knowledge of programming languages these days. the thing is, he might still program in fortran…because all he does is teaching and doesnt participate in top notch research opportunites that research university provides! (obviously this is an exaggeration)</p>
<p>Well, and the fact that even MIT admits some students that look good on paper but fizzle out in grad school when they have to come up with individual research (I see it all the time - people brilliant at memorization that graduate with 4.0 GPAs from Stanford that fall on their face when they have to do original work, or genius researchers that can’t seem to find hot topics).</p>
<p>The top MIT doctoral students go to other top engineering schools. The lower quality students get jobs at teaching schools happy to have someone with their degree (even the worst MIT graduate will get a job just because the college wants to be affiliated with MIT graduates).</p>