<p>Basically my friend's in the same sorta situation like me (bad HS, good college)</p>
<p>He wanted me to post his stuff on CC to see how he'd rank</p>
<p>He's going for University of Michigan's Engineering school. </p>
<p>HS GPA: 2.2 (low end on the 2. scale)
UMich GPA: 1.8 - 1.9
ACT: 30
HS Rank: last 15% not sure exactly
Community College GPA: 3.89 - 20 credits, another 20 credits in progress</p>
<p>So basically he wants to know his chances for UMich. His second semester should be around his first semester GPA (probably 3.6-3.9)</p>
<p>He doesn't have any recommendations (not required) and is putting off the app until sometime in Feb (Michigan has rolling admissions, and as much as I've told him to apply soon, he doesn't listen to me)</p>
<p>Another thing is that he was talking about how him at a CC has a better chance than me at a 4 year. Not sure if that's true... so asking that question too.</p>
<p>His essays will be pretty decent, he does have a really cocky attitute that might show on his essays. </p>
<p>If you guys need anything else; I'll ask him. </p>
<p>Sorry dude, but with only 20 credits at a CC and already a 3.89 so far, plus the fact that he only anticipates having 40 credits total before he applies, he doesn't stand a chance. He's gonna need the full two years (around 60 credits) to have a chance at balancing his extremely bad high school GPA. If it were for just UMich, I'd say he could have a small chance, but for UMich engineering, he shoulda held a 4.0 at that CC, at least for 20 credits.</p>
<p>I know that if he were in Cali, he'd have a better shot comin from a CC than you comin from a 4-year. But I dunno how Michigan does it. He sounds cocky, like you said, and he's in for a rude awakening.</p>
<p>You think? He said he asked the admissions officer (first time he called too, the phone conversation was so funny... arrogance + admissions officer = great fun!) that if they would look at him as a 20 credit guy or a 40, and they said 40, so he's hoping... that a great GPA and a high ACT might land him in.</p>
<p>Maybe...?</p>
<p>As much as I'd like to see him learn his lesson that you shouldn't always be arrogant, I'd hate for him to fail.</p>
<p>Im experienced with Umich admissions, and your roommate will definately be looked @ as 20 units. I dont care what the admissions representative said, cuz they are often interns. What brand said is totally what i think as well.</p>
<p>Well obviously I'm not the final word, but I don't think a pretty high GPA with relatively few credits and an average ACT (especially for UMich Eng) is going to cover basically a 2.0 high school GPA. At least, if I was an adcom, I wouldn't admit him.</p>
<p>One thing can be said for certain: if he expects any chance, he should take your advice and apply before all the spots are gone.</p>
<p>Arrogance is a bad trait, as is a close-minded approach to helpful knowledge. I say let him crash and burn. :)</p>
<p>But since you're cool, I'll suggest what he can do to better his app:
Submit now! Make sure he's taking courses Umich Eng. wants and if he hasn't taken them all, sign up for them so it'll at least show that he PLANS on taking what they require/recommend before transferring. Get to know a professor well and send in a rec anyways that would emphasize how he's a great, dedicated student now that has really turned himself around.</p>
<p>More importantly, when he fails to take anyone's advice and is rejected, tell him to remember that there's always next year and you'll see him at UMich eventually.</p>
<p>Arrogance is a bad trait, as is a close-minded approach to helpful knowledge. I say let him crash and burn.</p>
<p>But since you're cool, I'll suggest what he can do to better his app:
Submit now! Make sure he's taking courses Umich Eng. wants and if he hasn't taken them all, sign up for them so it'll at least show that he PLANS on taking what they require/recommend before transferring. Get to know a professor well and send in a rec anyways that would emphasize how he's a great, dedicated student now that has really turned himself around.</p>
<p>More importantly, when he fails to take anyone's advice and is rejected, tell him to remember that there's always next year and you'll see him at UMich eventually.
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<p>Just showed him, he says something about the UMich will see that he's changed and works now, and has Calc 1 and 2 in the same semester showing that he can take hard classes without failing. all of his courses transfer, so that doesn't need to worry too much. He also says that he plans to do summer classes (another 20 units) and if he doesn't make it, he'll transfer for Winter. </p>
<p>As far as his recommendations go, I have no doubt that he won't put in the effort to get to know his professor. He doesn't want to be "teacher's dog"... I think he meant pet. </p>
<p>That being said, he's not gonna submit it until earliest end of January and his response to me when I asked, "the deadline is March 1st, I still have time"</p>
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<p>That's impressive.</p>
<p>Well, he does sound like he at least knows what he's doing. Let him try. But I will bet you $20 that he's gonna need more time at that CC to cover his HS stuff up. Winter transfer may be more possible.</p>
<p>yeah, hes gonna get in winter if he keeps up his grades, but i dont think for the fall. Plus, its kinda late if he applied now, cuz its rolling admissions. Its most likely hes going to get deferred. Being deferred at Umich as a transfer basically means rejection.</p>
<p>not true actually.... haha, i transferred to Michigan last fall. I submitted my application at 10 PM on march 1st. It said officially it didnt get in until the 2nd. And I still got in with a 3.2 from a somewhat competitive liberal arts college. I like the OP's chances, and tell him to procrastinate as much as he wants</p>