<p>This is a really vague and probably unanswerable question, but is a 3.8-3.9 GPA good enough for the Ivies (except for Harvard, Yale, and Princeton). I was looking over the "accepted" list and it seems like everybody who gets into the other Ivies has a 4.0!!! I'm freaking out!!</p>
<p>Depends on your class rank.</p>
<p>I'm in the top 10%, or in the highest end of the top 15%, public school, 3,000 students</p>
<p>weighted or unweighted</p>
<p>Unweighted, my school doesn't go above a 4.0</p>
<p>Yes, many people getting accepted has less than a 4.0 GPA. If you notice, the average acceptance rate on CC is much higher than the posted percentage for schools, showing that CC people are kinda beyond the average applicant. </p>
<p>However, GPA is not a sole factor in admissions and the Ivy schools will look at your rank, ECs, essays, scores, and the whole nine yards.</p>
<p>Depends on your high school too. And what is this false belief that HYP students are somehow an entire tier above other Ivies? Believe me--- there are plenty of idiots/mediocre students everywhere.</p>
<p>Hm... if your class rank is in the top 10-15% range your chances are pretty slim. Unless you have a hook, like being a recruited athlete or legacy or URM or something, you pretty much need to be in at least the top 5%.</p>
<p>kepp doing your thing...apply to ivies and just hope for the best..</p>
<p>Ivy admissions really are a crapshoot sometimes. You are more than fine.</p>
<p>thanks for all the feedback, but seriously, the top 5%? Don't lots of people get in who are in the top 10% or even 15%?</p>
<p>Think about what schools you're talking about: the Ivies. Top 5% is pretty much minimum.
Look at Brown's facts and figures: <a href="http://www.brown.edu/Administration/Admission/gettoknowus/factsandfigures.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.brown.edu/Administration/Admission/gettoknowus/factsandfigures.html</a>
Your chances of getting in decrease quite drastically, even when you get out of the top 5 (students, not percent).</p>
<p>Look at Princeton. Last year, of over 17000 applicants, about 10% were accepted. They can and most definitely do pick and choose only the best applications.
<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/brief/14.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/brief/14.htm</a></p>
<p>Or Penn: Vals and Sals are accepted at a relatively high rate... twice that of applicants who are anywhere else in the top 5%.
<a href="http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php</a></p>
<p>I'm not necessarily trying to discourage you, if you want to apply, you definitely should; and who knows? You might get accepted, which would be great. However, you need to be realistic and realize that your chances of being accepted without some hook are slim.</p>
<p>I got into Penn and Columbia with what could be deciphered as a 3.4 GPA. (My school doesn't give GPA) I was also told by my college counselor that I should look at Yale and Princeton, because I actually had a chance.</p>
<p>So don't worry, your GPA doesn't disqualify you from admission to the Ivies. Not even HYP. Just that as people have been saying, admission is pretty "random".</p>
<p>"Except for HYP"?, for one, they are not on a different level than the other "Ivies", or any top 15 school for that matter, and for two, what kind of a paranoid fool asks a question like this. These schools look at the whole package and while a 3.8 GpA may be on the lower end, they will look at everything else you've got going and make a educated decision. And by the way GoldShadow doesn't know what the **** he's talking about.</p>
<p>Of course not, you're the expert, right JR07?</p>
<p>I apologize for being offensive, I can see that your research is really quite relevant, i just think that saying her chances are "pretty slim" with a top 10%-15% rank is simplistic and pessimistic.</p>
<p>Sorry if I came off as haughty.
However, the majority of people that will be accepted into the top schools are at the top of their class, and there are not many people in the 10-15% range that will be accepted. Unless it's a very small school or unless it's an extremely competitive private high school, 10-15% is generally not good enough for the top few schools.
I'm not saying that anyone in the top 10-15% is guaranteed to be rejected, but I honestly do think their chances are slim; perhaps it seems pessimistic but I wish someone would have told me the same last year. It would by no means have stopped me from applying, but my hopes would have been a little more realistic.
Also, I'm not trying to say that liz1628 is not smart enough for a top school or "not good enough", I'm saying that the application (and specifically the rank) is not good enough. The adcom is, after all, judging the application and not you.</p>
<p>Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that at big public schools adcoms realize that there are many kids who float through High school taking no AP classes, get a 4.0, and go to their state school. These kids push down many high acheiving Multi-AP students who have gotten a B or two. When i looked at my schools ranking list i couldn't believe how many idiots were ranked above me, and i was in top 7% .</p>
<p>I think JRO7 is right,
I go to the same type of school, where there are a lot of smart kids at the top, a ton of "middle of the road" type people in between, and slackers/stoners/druggies at the bottom. So what he's saying is that a student can take easy classes, get A's and be like "I'm in the top 5%" when in truth, there are some students who are much smarter just behind him/her, who've taken AP classes. At our kind of school, I think rankings are pretty irrelevant, unless courses are evaluated too. But if you go to a school where everybody takes all AP's, no matter what, then it's a different story...</p>