<p>"but intelligence is really the ability to synthesize and make connections. And THAT's what the SAT tests as well as IQ tests."</p>
<p>I disagree about the definition of intelligence. And I also think that the SAT doesn't measure anything but how well you can do on a test.</p>
<p>But murkywater, if SAT's only test how well you can do on a test, what do tests measure? Do they not measure intelligence in various fields?</p>
<p>I'm getting to say this a lot: you're right once again, nyjunior. I guess IQ/intelligence is the efficiency with which one learns. </p>
<p>Now, with regard to the SAT, I think it can surely be studied for, and you can definitely learn it, but there is certainly a ceiling defined for each individual by their intelligence. </p>
<p>Not everyone can get a 2400. That would defeat the purpose of the test.</p>
<p>nyjunior, I think some forms of assessments are better than others. And the SAT, sadly, is not a good form of assessing someone's intelligence.</p>
<p>I used to have a teacher who would have a one-on-one discussion with a student on a topic of their choice (within a broader subject). This discussion would be analyzed and the teacher would not ask questions, but rather, would let the student talk about what they know. </p>
<p>I thought that was a better assessment than some multiple-guess test like the SAT.</p>
<p>Sounds cool, and I hope I didn't come off as someone who actually likes or supports the SAT. I'm just another student like you who hates the SATs like hell (or am I a spy from CollegeBoard?), and I know that the SAT is a poor assessment. But it's some assessment, you know, and there are other things much worse than this to worry about in the world, like our current president's stupidity, so let's put the lid on this issue for now. Just study your best, and do your best, and maybe even have fun while doing it (after all, this is just another minor obstacle in the great game of life).</p>
<p>murkywater,</p>
<p>I never disagreed with Xiggi's method, please re-read my post: "... I will say that Xiggi's advice is applicable..." Post #28. Sorry if it wasnt clear.</p>
<p>I have not changed my original argument, I expanded on it. There are two statements, "anyone can learn the SAT... and the SAT measures nothing". You claim that this constitutes a change in my argument, why? These statements are definitely not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>Finally, you state that my recommendation for you to focus on the ACT is part of my surreptious attempt to alter an argument. In reality, I was recommending that your time might be better spent focusing on the other college entrance exam. I was only trying to help since you seemed disgruntled with the SAT. Forgive me, I will never try to help you again.</p>
<p>"But it's some assessment, you know, and there are other things much worse than this to worry about in the world, like our current president's stupidity, so let's put the lid on this issue for now. Just study your best, and do your best, and maybe even have fun while doing it (after all, this is just another minor obstacle in the great game of life)."</p>
<p>I actually care more about getting into the college of my choice than our current president.</p>
<p>Anyways, to address Chris_C's post:</p>
<p>Expanding your argument IS essentially changing it. It is not identical to your first argument because you've expanded on it -- that IS change. </p>
<p>I am already taking the ACT. I am fairly certain I don't need anyone to tell me to study for my ACT. Thanks, anyways. :)</p>
<p>But wait, could it be that the SAT tests a students dedication to learn certain criteria and how to take a new kind of test, As well as their ability to study effectively and retain information?</p>
<p>-ahhh think about that.</p>
<p>-Keep in mind it has been shown that the SAT IS the single best predictor of college success (performancewise)</p>
<p>Tyler09, actually, that's incorrect. Colleges have repeatedly said that the SAT is not a good measurement of success in college. I don't know where you are getting your stats from.</p>
<p>murkywater, I want to say something, but I'm afraid you'll instantaneously reprimand me for it. Soooooo, I'm decidin, heads or tails, oh goody, it was tails, I can keep my mouth shut.</p>
<p>SAT only measures one type of intelligence - some people have it, others need to work for it.</p>
<p>The SAT does test knowledge as well in the form of some mathematical properties/methods, vocabulary, and grammar rules.</p>
<p>and concentration....</p>
<p>Exactly, you don't want to be taking the test next to me if you don't have great concentration. My excessive hotness will cause muchos ADD for you, and there goes your hopes and dreams of attending Stanford or Harvard or whatever you overachievers want to attend. Did I tell you guys the story about the time I blinded two girls involuntarily?</p>
<p>my god, you are like a grandfather with too much time on your hands...</p>
<p>you WISH I was your grandpa! And if I had too much time on my hands, how did I finish reading Player Piano and Cat's Cradle in three days? You cannot do that with Vonnegut.</p>
<p>All right! Whatever! You win! There I said it :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Oh, you didn't have to say it missy! When did I not win? And you see, now you're trashing the thread again, and Kenny (or was it Duper) will bring is big kaboosh over, and start crying.</p>
<p>I said it for myself, mister. </p>
<p>Back to the main point:</p>
<p>The SAT can be learned, hell, I did!</p>
<p>Well of course it can be learned when they give you all these prep books and your entire life to practice for the darn thing! But it was still DESIGNED to test intelligence at the natural level to some extent. So there! And stop swearing, you said the "h" word.</p>