Questions about the BME major

<p>Hi, it seems that there are a few current students in this forum. I have a few questions concerning BME, and would really appreciate your help.</p>

<p>1 - Do BME people feel like they missed out on English and art and music classes? I looked at the curriculum requirements (<a href="http://www.bme.jhu.edu/academics/ugrad/docs/BME-Curriculum-Checklist.pdf)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bme.jhu.edu/academics/ugrad/docs/BME-Curriculum-Checklist.pdf)&lt;/a>. While science was a major activity of mine -- the course titles look AWESOME-- I had a pretty substantial commitment to art, music, and writing as well, and I don't want to feel deprived in that area.
2 - Are there many study abroad / foreign language learning opportunities? Do many in the BME program have time to take advantage of them? Does it hurt grades if you do?
3 - Does the program leave time to participate in other clubs/extracurriculars and be social? And sleep? Or do research and classwork really take that much time... Also, speaking of social stuff, do BME people still socialize and get to know non-BME students, or are they sort of in their own group?
4 - Is the environment competitive? If so, to what extent? Or is JHU just as competitive as the next school? I know someone who is in JHU BME and he gives me the impression that it can be cutthroat, but I wanted a second opinion.
5 - Are most of the people at JHU, particularly those in BME, premeds? Do most go on to grad school? I don't really want to be a premed.
6 - What if you suck at math? The math requirements sort of scare me. Actually, now that I think about it, I don't know why I was even accepted because I'm so bad at math (and I'm Asian... fail, haha)... Are most of the people admitted able to handle the work?</p>

<p>Also, does anybody have any input as to whether Rice (near full ride) might be an overall better experience for somebody who doesn't like an overly competitive environment and isn't dead-set on a premed track? Or UChicago, or Columbia (without any money that I know of yet... so I don't know...)? I am still waiting on some Ivies, but don't have high hopes. I also have to wait on financial aid and scholarship details, anyway.</p>

<p>Thank you for your answers, and congratulations to everybody! :)</p>

<p>I’m a senior BME major.

  1. One of the major advantages to Hopkins is the lack of a core curriculum. This means that while you have to take X credits of humanities and social science courses, they can be in whatever area you want. Personally, I’ve used my distribution requirements to do a second major in Economics; other people have used them to focus on area such as English, Spanish, Public Health, Philosophy etc, and some people choose to take a broad assortment of courses. The only concern that you may have is that the arts and music courses offered on campus do not actually count as distribution requirements (they have no area designation). So while you can still take these classes to fill your open electives, they won’t count towards the distribution requirements. Also, another useful opportunity if you’re interested in art and music - it’s possible to take courses at the Peabody Conservatory (which is part of Hopkins) and at MICA (the Maryland Institute College of Art, which is part of the Baltimore Collegetown Network).</p>

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<li><p>Foreign language courses count towards the distribution requirements as well, and taking those is easy and quite common. I personally took a year of French my freshman year after taking 4 years in high school. As for study abroad, it is admittedly more difficult to study abroad during the year as an engineering, and specifically as a BME major because of the major requirements and ABET accreditation rules. From what I understand, you’re pretty much restricted to studying abroad in English speaking countries if you want to take engineering courses; you can, however, do a semester abroad where you focus on your humanities courses and that should be quite easily doable if you plan far enough in advance. There are lots of opportunities to study abroad during the summers. The School of Engineering has a program called the Vredenburg scholarship, which funds engineers who want to do research or take courses abroad. I’ve known people who have gone to Germany, Spain, China, Australia, etc. Quite a few people that I know have take advantage of this program, or other opportunities to work abroad over the summer.</p></li>
<li><p>Even though the BME program is quite involved, I find that BMEs are some of the most involved students on campus. Personally, I am a member of the campus EMS service, co-Secretary General of our Model UN Conference, officer of the Biomedical Engineering Society chapter and I also volunteer with the admissions office. There are, of course, some BME’s who spend lots of time in the library, but you’ll see that at every school and with every major. I think BME students achieve a good balance schoolwork and fun. As for sleep, there are definitely long, sleepless nights before exams etc, but I don’t think the workload prevents you from getting involved in activities that you’re really interested in.</p></li>
<li><p>I personally think that BME is quite the opposite of competitive. Most people realized that if you try to be competitive and do everything by yourself, it’s going to be hard to pass. As one of my friends put it, “you can’t be a BME alone.” Almost everyone works together with other people on problem sets and when studying for tests. I’ve had problem sets before where I have no idea where to start and have to sit in a group and discuss the problem for an hour before someone comes up with an idea that works. When I study, it tends to be with 3-4 other people. and we’re connected to other study groups via AIM and GChat, so if there’s any confusion, there are 20-30 other people I can consult within a few seconds.</p></li>
<li><p>While a lot of BMEs come in thinking they want to go to medical school, by graduation, I think the division is 1/3 medical school, 1/3 graduate school and 1/3 industry (real jobs). It’s not that people can’t get into medical school, it’s that a lot of people realize that they really want to do research or get a job in device development or patent law or whatever.</p></li>
<li><p>BME is a real, fully accredited engineering major, so there is a lot of math involved. Beyond just the math courses that you take, all the physiology courses that you take will approach the body from a very quantitative, mathematical perspective. Before you commit to BME, make sure that this is really what you’re interested in studying. I think the majority of people who transfer out of BME do so because they didn’t realize the math-intesiveness of the program coming in. If you’re not interested in math, they maybe Biology or Neuroscience might be better programs</p></li>
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<p>Overall, if your interests lie in hard-core science and possibly research, I would narrow down your choices to Rice or Hopkins (of the schools you listed). I don’t think you can go wrong between those two schools. As far as research, the opportunities at both places are outstanding. I think Rice is one of the few places that can compete with Hopkins in terms of research opportunities. Having spent four years in a lab at Hopkins, and three summers in labs in the Texas Medical Center (the massive area across Main street from Rice), I know that you’ll find something you’re really interested in both places. If you’re really interested in BME, I personally think that the program at Hopkins is better because of the way the program here gets you involved in BME your freshman year (instead of just taking intro math and science courses). I also have found it amazing that (more than a couple times), we have been taught different areas of physiology by the very people who made the discoveries that are in our textbooks. I think Hopkins’ BME faculty members are among the world leaders in their respective fields and that brings a very unique dimension to our courses. Instead of having one professor teach our main physiology courses (the Systems Bioengineering courses) as I believe Rice does, we have the people who are the experts in each field/topic come lecture on that section of the course. </p>

<p>Ultimately, I would recommend you visit both campuses and see where you feel more comfortable. Evaluate whether you’re sure you want to do BME, and if so, think about which program you would like better (I know I’m a bit biased in my assessment).</p>

<p>+1, class post tanman</p>

<p>Thanks so much for your prompt, detailed and helpful response! :slight_smile: I will probably visit both campuses in the next few weeks.</p>

<p>About how many people end up transferring out of BME? And of those that do, do they transfer out within the first year? Most people admitted to the program worked pretty hard to get in (the program has a low-ish acceptance rate, right?), so why not try and stick with it? Is it mostly to save GPAs, or are some people just unhappy… etc.?</p>

<p>Does JHU still have a party scene, or is that really subdued due to the intense course load BME people take? I’m not a party person, but I think I’d like to be around energetic people. Brown and UChicago, for instance, seem to have a very lively student culture that includes partying, etc… what is it like at JHU? Is it a nerdy culture? Is it intellectual at all? (I think I’d really like a nerdy-ish, intellectual-debate culture…)</p>

<p>Lastly, I know that in my high school, the Asians mostly socialized with the Asians, etc… what’s the diversity/racial breakdown in the BME program? I can’t expect college to be that similar to high school, but what is it like?</p>

<p>Thanks for your help. I’m probably visiting Tuesday. :)</p>

<p>What advice can you give to someone accepted into the Rice-Baylor combined B.S/M.D. program versus Hopkins BME? Which one is better?</p>

<p>“What advice can you give to someone accepted into the Rice-Baylor combined B.S/M.D. program versus Hopkins BME? Which one is better?” </p>

<p>I’m assuming that you haven’t gotten accepted to Rice-Baylor because now it is way to late to decide. But it depends on what you want to do in life, if you got into Rice-Baylor, I think it is really a no brainer because then you want to go into medicine and I think it is worth it (No MCAT, free to choose any major, no stress about MCAT study). This is me but in my opinion I would go to Rice-Baylor, Baylor is a great med school and you don’t have to go through the application process and waiting. If you like BME, trust me Rice Bioengineering is AMAZING. Sure they are not ranked as high as JHU but the academic excellence between those two schools are very small, they are both wonderful. However, if you don’t want to go into medicine, I would go to JHU. JHU and Rice are great school, both are amazing in BME/BioE.</p>