Questions from a UCLA Pre-Business Economics Transfer Student

As of today, I have officially submitted my intent to register at UCLA for the upcoming fall quarter and to be honest I do not recall ever feeling as excited and nervous as I currently am about my educational future. I have always dreamed of attending UCLA, so much so that I turned down UCSB, UCI, and a few other universities after high school and chose to attend a local community college for two years with the hopes that I might become a more attractive prospect to UCLA as a transfer student. Nearly two years later, I am proud and humbled to call myself a Bruin and I look forward to everything that awaits me at my new home and education destination. That being said, I have enrolled in Econ 11 (Intermediate Microeconomic Theory) and Econ 41 (Statistics for Economists) for the first Summer Session and I have a few questions pertaining to these classes. I plan to ask these same questions during one of the transfer oriented events offered at UCLA, but I thought I would try my luck on CC and see if anyone has any answers or advice.

My most first and most pressing question is this: at what point does UCLA acknowledge the completion of the prerequisite courses that are required to take these two courses? I have completed both introductory Microeconomics and Macroeconomics at the community college I am currently attending (these are both required to take Econ 11), and I have taken Calculus 2 at the community college as well (this, along with Calc 1, are required to take Econ 41). I did not take Calc 1 because I had taken both the Calculus AB and BC Advanced Placement exams in high school, which permitted me to skip Calc 1 at my community college and jump directly into Calc 2. When enrolling for these courses, the website warned me that failing to complete these prerequisite courses would lead to me being unable to complete these courses, which I understand are a required part of the Business Econ major. So will UCLA acknowledge that I have completed these four courses as soon as they receive my official community college transcript and my official AP test scores? I have already sent both the transcript and the scores to UCLA but I still fear that an issue will arise that will prevent me from being enrolled in these two courses. The last thing I want to occur during my first classes at UCLA is to realize that I am not properly prepared or qualified to take the classes I need for my major. Do I have any reason to be worried, or am I simply being overly paranoid? Any insight into how and when UCLA acknowledges the completion of required community college classes would be extremely appreciated!

My next question is as follows: how challenging are each of these courses? I have been reading comments from past UCLA students on other websites that the classes in the Business Economics major are extremely competitive because of the fact that the major is impacted. I was fully aware of this fact prior to applying to the major and I certainly do not expect any easy courses at UCLA. However, as I continued reading I noticed that many students mentioned that professors have a quota for A’s, B’s, C’s, etc in their classes. While I am not surprised that professors do not want to hand out good grades to all students, I was curious as to whether they intentionally give out low grades because they need to maintain around, say, 10-15% A’s in a class. Seeing that I am a UCLA transfer student, it should come as no surprise that I intend to get an A in every class I take (not realistic but I find that it is a good goal to set for myself), especially because I plan to apply for the selective Accounting minor offered by the Anderson School of Management. So from any Economics or Business Economics majors who have taken these courses, what is the level of competitiveness I should expect from these courses? Will it be extremely unlikely that I earn an A in both courses unless I spend 30 hours a week studying, reading the textbook, and attending office hours and discussion sections? I realize that my question sounds stupid given that the UCLA econ department is extremely competitive, so it should be assumed that all students enrolled in the majors give each class as much effort as they can muster. I suppose I ask it simply out of fear of the unknown as well as the knowledge that my fellow classmates are similarly driven and most likely possess far superior intellects to mine.

Finally, I would like to know if any current or former UCLA students have any advice for how to best study for any class at UCLA, but particularly Economics and Management courses. I have obviously established my own personal study habits during my educational career (I would not have made it here otherwise), but given that I have made the jump from community college to world renowned research university I have a desire to elevate my game. For any fellow UCLA transfer students, how easy/painful was the transition for you to adjust to? Are professors typically willing to assist you during office hours if you are lost? What resources are available to students who are seeking assistance other than office hours and discussion sections? Again, any advice from current or former UCLA students, transfer or otherwise, would be GREATLY appreciated. I simply would like to mentally prepare myself for the challenges that will face me once I begin to attend UCLA.

Thank you in advance to anyone who was willing to read this essay of a post. Any advice or assistance you can provide me with is extremely appreciated. I feel beyond fortunate to be able to attend such an amazing university, which is why I would like to ensure that I am well-prepared so as to avoid squandering the hard work that has propelled me to my current situation. I know that I would not have been accepted if UCLA did not have a sliver of a feeling that I belong at their university, and for that I am especially grateful. Thank you all again and go Bruins!

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You don’t really need to know any Calc except how to take a derivative and some easy partial derivatives/La Grange multipliers which can be learned in a few minutes. Econ 11/41 are both terrible classes, but you made a good choice taking them over the summer. For the most part, the discussion sections are worthless, I’ve never been to office hours, and the professors don’t really give a shit.

I feel it is pretty tough to get an A in Econ classes, but I’ve gotten mostly Bs so far without too much effort. If you want As you have to work your ass off, especially in the introductory classes. The MGMT classes aren’t too hard IMO, but a lot of people struggle with those more than Econ classes.

They really tried to weed out people from getting into Biz Econ this year, especially for transfers. Just work hard and you’ll do fine.

@CSB111 thank you so much for the advice! It is relieving to hear you say that the management classes aren’t too hard for you, I have found my accounting classes at my community college to be easier and therefore more enjoyable than my economics, even though they typically have involved considerably more time and work. I’m pretty nervous to take Econ 11 and 41 during the same summer session because of their bad reputations, but I would definitely rather get them out of the way so that I can just focus on upper division courses during the fall quarter.

Also, about the office hours, have you intentionally avoided attending them because they typically aren’t helpful for students? I definitely want to avoid being weeded out of the major which is why I’m concerned with getting A’s in as many classes as possible, and I’m definitely willing to put in the work necessary. I’m mostly concerned about not being accepted into the Accounting minor which I’ve heard is also extremely competitive. I really appreciate the advice, it’s extremely helpful to receive insight from students like yourself who have actually taken the Economics and Management courses!

I can’t really say about office hours, but I guess they’d be helpful for some people, just not me. In my opinion, the classes don’t require a lot of work, but you just need to know the material in and out because your grade is going to be all midterms/final.

I met the requirements for Accounting Minor this quarter but did not get into Biz Econ by a lot. But you can still get the management classes even if you aren’t in the minor.

@CSB111 So does that mean that even if you do not qualify for the minor (I assume because of GPA requirements) you can still take all of the accounting classes that you would otherwise take for the minor? And also, does not having the minor make it considerably more difficult to get those classes? I apologize for what feels like an interrogation, I really appreciate the insight you have shared!

@xenon528491 Yes, as long as you give yourself room to take them. For example, MGMT 123 (Audit) fills up in Spring quarter, but in Fall, it isn’t full at all. But I wouldn’t worry too much, things will change and you will adjust when you get here. Trust me.

Would it be wise to take Econ 11 and/or Econ 41 during summer session? I want to take at least one pre-requisite course over summer to expedite the process of officially declaring as a Business Economics major, but from what I’ve heard about summer sessions there aren’t the same resources that are available during fall, winter, or spring because the professors are typically grad students. Should I take either class if Econ 11 is taught by a grad student (Kospentaris) and Econ 41 is taught by a law professor (Jerry Kang)? If so, which one would you recommend taking during a 6 week summer course? Or would it wise to take both courses?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :slight_smile:

Bump please! If anyone has any advice or insight regarding summer session Econ courses I’d be extremely grateful!

Sometimes you’ll learn something better from a grad student…plus they might be able to give you more one-on-one help than a professor could.

Hey, I actually plan on taking those two classes in the summer too. In the exact same boat as you.
Are you going to be living on campus or commuting? Have you applied for summer financial aid? I have lots of questions about the summer session lol
But it will be great if we end up taking them together! We can be study mates haha

@CSB111 @alicantekid Is FAO generous with summer financial aid? Say, if I takes these two classes (8 units in total), will I have to pay a lot out of pocket?

@davedavid It depends on your financial situation. I want to say it could be anywhere from $2K - $4K.

Don’t take Econ 11 and Econ 41 both over the summer session, especially when it is taught by TAs where you don’t know what to expect. I’d recommend Hahn for 41 (I thought he was easy) if you take it in Fall. If you decide to take summer session, take Econ 11 + whatever else (not 41), the TAs that teach 11 over the summer are usually pretty good Just don’t get too ambitious.

@davedavid for summer session I am going to be commuting because I can’t afford summer housing AND have enough money to pay for housing for the regular school year :confused: I did apply for financial aid and I received a small grant but its predicated on me taking two classes for at least units, which is why I’m taking Econ 11 and 41. I may end up dropping 41 if I go the first week and decide I’d rather focus on 11 and just take 41 in the fall. I wanted to take Management 120A over summer but when I tried to enroll they said I hadn’t completed the required pre-reqs so that was a bummer…if you do decide to take both classes during summer session A let me know! I’d love to find a study mate :smiley:

@CSB111 so would it be wise to just take Econ 11 over summer and then take 41 in the fall? I would really like to take 2 classes over summer but other than Econ 11 and 41 + Management 120A I don’t know which classes I should enroll in. I just don’t want to enter fall quarter having taken no classes at UCLA yet, I’d like to have some experience beforehand.

You should be OK, but as I mentioned, you haven’t gone here yet, and to jump into both of the classes over the summer wouldn’t be the best idea. With financial aid, it is pretty much the same price to take two classes vs one. You are going to have a test on a lot of material probably at the end of the 2nd week/beginning of the 3rd week.

Keep in mind, you still need 180 units and 60 upper div units, and either major doesn’t get you there. So try and find another class that’s easy so you don’t burn yourself out and also pad your GPA. In all honestly, looking back at this year and finishing yesterday, the classes aren’t that hard but the first quarter and during the summer you aren’t going to know the ropes as much and know how to study. Or just save your $2000, and put it towards paying your housing for the year.

If you don’t have the prereqs done for 120A, which means you are probably missing a lower division accounting course, please don’t take it, even though prereqs aren’t enforced over the summer. I never went to class for 120A and got an A, but I had old tests and knew accounting intuitively enough to figure stuff out on the tests. Only about 25% of the people in the class get As and curve wise I’d say it is a competitive class.

@CSB111 I completed the prerequisites for management 120A but I believe I was restricted from taking it over summer because I hadn’t officially finished the final prereq course when they received my transcript. Regardless of whether or not I’m eligible over summer, I’ve decided to wait to take 120A until fall quarter and I will stick with Econ 11 & 41 for now because I have already purchased the textbooks. That being said, I am extremely open to dropping Econ 41 if I feel that I won’t be able to do well in both classes during the abbreviated 6 week course, as doing well in these courses is much more important than simply rushing to finish as many classes as I can. Thank you so much for all of your advice!